US to lose $12,000,000,000 in tourist dollars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gaining 10 trillion in manufacturing investments

So even with these gains, we have a net loss?

The left is bad at math. That's a 9 trillion 988 billion gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gaining 10 trillion in manufacturing investments

Most of those investments were committed to under Biden. These are not new commitments. Good chance that some projects are stalled or pulled altogether because of the uncertainty.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fact-check-trump-9-trillion-us-investments/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much does it cost the US government to run for ONE day?

$18,000,000,000

Source?
Relevance to this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gaining 10 trillion in manufacturing investments

How so? trump capitulated on tariffs, so there won't be new manufacturing coming, particularly since they killed the incentives under the CHIPS Act that was already spurring investments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“The U.S. travel and tourism sector is the biggest sector globally compared to any other country, worth almost $2.6 trillion,” she says, citing WTTC and Oxford Economics data. According to Simpson’s data, direct and indirect tourism represents nine per cent of the American economy.”

“The [lost revenue ] represent a decline of around seven per cent in visitor spending year-over-year, and a decline of 22 per cent since tourism reached its peak in the U.S. in 2019.”

Apparently it is projected that tourism won’t recover to prepandemic levels until 2030.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/business/an-island-no-one-wants-to-visit-u-s-to-lose-12-billion-in-travel/article_928d695f-d68d-54ca-931d-cc644f9d7aae.html

Apparently a lot less foreign travellers want what the USA offers now, and Americans just don’t spend enough to make up the difference. Maybe it makes sense to be nice to foreigners if 20 million jobs depend on tourism.

That is not a real newspaper.

Then use these sources that go back to March

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/1265552.page#29981181

[Anonymous]

I’ll believe this when all the shelves are empty at WalMart and prices are noticeably higher on everything like people OP is quoting claimed because of tariffs.

Trump tariffs have little impact on prices so far, defying grim forecasts
Inflation climbed at the slowest pace since early 2021 in April, surprising economists who anticipated tariff-related increases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/trump-tariffs-inflation-trade-economy-fed-powell-00344184

All these projections are literally made up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll believe this when all the shelves are empty at WalMart and prices are noticeably higher on everything like people OP is quoting claimed because of tariffs.

Trump tariffs have little impact on prices so far, defying grim forecasts
Inflation climbed at the slowest pace since early 2021 in April, surprising economists who anticipated tariff-related increases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/trump-tariffs-inflation-trade-economy-fed-powell-00344184

All these projections are literally made up.

Check back in July.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll believe this when all the shelves are empty at WalMart and prices are noticeably higher on everything like people OP is quoting claimed because of tariffs.

Trump tariffs have little impact on prices so far, defying grim forecasts
Inflation climbed at the slowest pace since early 2021 in April, surprising economists who anticipated tariff-related increases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/trump-tariffs-inflation-trade-economy-fed-powell-00344184

All these projections are literally made up.

Since this thread is about travel and tourism, please explain what international travelers are going to be coming to the USA in the coming months? Take a look at the quarterly reports from the airlines and hotels where they show a huge softening in demand and then tease that out to what that means for restaurants, car rentals, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“The U.S. travel and tourism sector is the biggest sector globally compared to any other country, worth almost $2.6 trillion,” she says, citing WTTC and Oxford Economics data. According to Simpson’s data, direct and indirect tourism represents nine per cent of the American economy.”

“The [lost revenue ] represent a decline of around seven per cent in visitor spending year-over-year, and a decline of 22 per cent since tourism reached its peak in the U.S. in 2019.”

Apparently it is projected that tourism won’t recover to prepandemic levels until 2030.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/business/an-island-no-one-wants-to-visit-u-s-to-lose-12-billion-in-travel/article_928d695f-d68d-54ca-931d-cc644f9d7aae.html

Apparently a lot less foreign travellers want what the USA offers now, and Americans just don’t spend enough to make up the difference. Maybe it makes sense to be nice to foreigners if 20 million jobs depend on tourism.

That is not a real newspaper.

+1.

It is based in Toronto. Canada!

How about this? Is this real newspaper?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/travel/united-states-international-visitors-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HE8.sJHM.hlY4Y4V2BSNf&smid=url-share

“Could lose,” not “has lost.” Again, just because a tourism group says something will happen doesn’t mean it will happen. I am dealing with facts, not projections.

The S&P is at 5,900 and is up for the year now. According to everyone Trump was a madman who was going to keep 100%+ tariffs on China for the rest of time, we weren’t going to have Christmas presents this year, and the market drop was going to make 2008 look tame. Well here we are, and how did those projections pan out?

A lot of news is just quoting ridiculous “projections” that never pan out to strike fear in people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gaining 10 trillion in manufacturing investments

So even with these gains, we have a net loss?

The left is bad at math. That's a 9 trillion 988 billion gain.

Not the left. Just me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“The U.S. travel and tourism sector is the biggest sector globally compared to any other country, worth almost $2.6 trillion,” she says, citing WTTC and Oxford Economics data. According to Simpson’s data, direct and indirect tourism represents nine per cent of the American economy.”

“The [lost revenue ] represent a decline of around seven per cent in visitor spending year-over-year, and a decline of 22 per cent since tourism reached its peak in the U.S. in 2019.”

Apparently it is projected that tourism won’t recover to prepandemic levels until 2030.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/business/an-island-no-one-wants-to-visit-u-s-to-lose-12-billion-in-travel/article_928d695f-d68d-54ca-931d-cc644f9d7aae.html

Apparently a lot less foreign travellers want what the USA offers now, and Americans just don’t spend enough to make up the difference. Maybe it makes sense to be nice to foreigners if 20 million jobs depend on tourism.

That is not a real newspaper.

+1.

It is based in Toronto. Canada!

How about this? Is this real newspaper?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/travel/united-states-international-visitors-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HE8.sJHM.hlY4Y4V2BSNf&smid=url-share

“Could lose,” not “has lost.” Again, just because a tourism group says something will happen doesn’t mean it will happen. I am dealing with facts, not projections.

The S&P is at 5,900 and is up for the year now. According to everyone Trump was a madman who was going to keep 100%+ tariffs on China for the rest of time, we weren’t going to have Christmas presents this year, and the market drop was going to make 2008 look tame. Well here we are, and how did those projections pan out?

A lot of news is just quoting ridiculous “projections” that never pan out to strike fear in people.

https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3lp4yro6jmk2b

the minute tariffs were lowered, the market rallied...go figure.

And with respect to "could lose" - the airlines and hotels - the places that have actual reservations that can be forecasted, are telling us that demand is soft. Europeans, Asians and Canadians are boycotting the US and central and south americans aren't risking coming here and being sent to El Salvador, so given what the companies are telling us in their quarterly reports, who is filling those hotels and tourist attractions this summer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gaining 10 trillion in manufacturing investments

Have you heard of Foxcon. Don’t believe the lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
“The U.S. travel and tourism sector is the biggest sector globally compared to any other country, worth almost $2.6 trillion,” she says, citing WTTC and Oxford Economics data. According to Simpson’s data, direct and indirect tourism represents nine per cent of the American economy.”

“The [lost revenue ] represent a decline of around seven per cent in visitor spending year-over-year, and a decline of 22 per cent since tourism reached its peak in the U.S. in 2019.”

Apparently it is projected that tourism won’t recover to prepandemic levels until 2030.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/business/an-island-no-one-wants-to-visit-u-s-to-lose-12-billion-in-travel/article_928d695f-d68d-54ca-931d-cc644f9d7aae.html

Apparently a lot less foreign travellers want what the USA offers now, and Americans just don’t spend enough to make up the difference. Maybe it makes sense to be nice to foreigners if 20 million jobs depend on tourism.

That is not a real newspaper.

+1.

It is based in Toronto. Canada!

How about this? Is this real newspaper?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/travel/united-states-international-visitors-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HE8.sJHM.hlY4Y4V2BSNf&smid=url-share

“Could lose,” not “has lost.” Again, just because a tourism group says something will happen doesn’t mean it will happen. I am dealing with facts, not projections.

The S&P is at 5,900 and is up for the year now. According to everyone Trump was a madman who was going to keep 100%+ tariffs on China for the rest of time, we weren’t going to have Christmas presents this year, and the market drop was going to make 2008 look tame. Well here we are, and how did those projections pan out?

A lot of news is just quoting ridiculous “projections” that never pan out to strike fear in people.

We still have a 30% tariffs, so costs are going up relative to where they were in January.
There will be disruptions to the supply chain as evidenced by the lack of container ships leaving China right now. Perhaps Christmans won't be impacted, but another week or two and it woudl have been for sure, according to the economists who understand these things better than some rando on a message board.

and yes, the stock market rallied because Trump capitulated on the tariffs (for now)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much does it cost the US government to run for ONE day?

$18,000,000,000

Source?
Relevance to this thread?

There is no source. That poster made it up. Pulled the number out of her right butt-cheek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much does it cost the US government to run for ONE day?

$18,000,000,000

Source?
Relevance to this thread?

There is no source. That poster made it up. Pulled the number out of her right butt-cheek.

You could actually google it and see where the numbers are derived from. There are, you know private sector companies and related trade organizations that track these things and have for decades.