Creating replacement jobs for those lost to AI. Ideas?

[Anonymous]

It will eventually take someone or multiple people who love humanity to altruistically create a society where people are guaranteed dignity and resources despite not working.

People will always have something to do. Our physical spaces need curation, cleaning and adapting at least. But will we always have money-making things to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One idea would be for the states (and DC) to ban self-serve gas at filling stations.

They do this in NJ and Oregon, I think. It’s also a safety issue to have just anyone do this.

Bring back full-service.

Full service truly sucks. You have to wait for them to get to you then wait for them to get back to you so you can pay. They frequently hit the side of your car with the pump nozzle. The jobs should make the customer experience better, not worse.

+1 we go to NJ a few times per year, and I hate filling up there. We can do better than gas pump attendants.

FWIW, when my parents first immigrated here (1970), my dad pumped gas at a full service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mass job loss due to automation has been predicted since the industrial revolution. It hasn't happened yet. Jobs have changed, but not gone away. This seems to be the likely pattern that will be repeated in the coming decades.

+1 AI will create new jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem AI is trying to solve is "I don't want to pay people" and the result is a less satisfactory product than if you just paid the people who already do the jobs.

Think about call centers - does anybody want an AI chat bot to resolve a customer service problem? No, it's useless. Does anybody want to call an offshore call center? Also no, though it's usually better than AI. But people love the US-based hotlines and higher-end bank service lines. You have to pay for a good customer service experience, there is no way around that.

Actually I would rather an ai chatbot as it will give me a refund as I can escalate to the max. The refunds would be more generous if there were few to no people employed for customer service.

LOL this is cute and implies you haven't interacted with AI chat bots much. They are t programmed to give more refunds.

Right? WTAF is the PP talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why I side-eye everyone - particularly those in business and government - that seems so excited at AI taking over jobs.

What is the plan for this huge swath of out of work people? Are they planning for this? Or they’re just trying to scare people with the potential of this happening?

I don’t understand the AI end game, at all.

It’s like the globalization and offshoring of industry in the 1990th.
This time on steroids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One idea would be for the states (and DC) to ban self-serve gas at filling stations.

They do this in NJ and Oregon, I think. It’s also a safety issue to have just anyone do this.

Bring back full-service.

Full service truly sucks. You have to wait for them to get to you then wait for them to get back to you so you can pay. They frequently hit the side of your car with the pump nozzle. The jobs should make the customer experience better, not worse.

But the reason NJ and OR rely on is that self-service is a safety hazard because the general public is not properly trained to handle hazardous substances, which includes gasoline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One idea would be for the states (and DC) to ban self-serve gas at filling stations.

They do this in NJ and Oregon, I think. It’s also a safety issue to have just anyone do this.

Bring back full-service.

Full service truly sucks. You have to wait for them to get to you then wait for them to get back to you so you can pay. They frequently hit the side of your car with the pump nozzle. The jobs should make the customer experience better, not worse.

+1 we go to NJ a few times per year, and I hate filling up there. We can do better than gas pump attendants.

FWIW, when my parents first immigrated here (1970), my dad pumped gas at a full service.

Plus I’m not sure gas stations are the future. Eventually electric cars are going to reach a critical mass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Use AI to do your own job 5x better. Try to think through how you can use it and leverage your abilities.

Oh is my boss going to pay me five times more? Doubtful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s clear we need to create jobs and do it quickly.

Maybe something like the 1930s WPA, or other New Deal agencies are what we need right now? Doesn’t our infrastructure need rebuilding at the moment too?

"Shovel ready jobs"? Yeah we heard that before.

It's not a bad idea in general, but how many office workers and desk jockeys are going to rip off their pants suits and khakis and don some overalls and do manual labor outdoors for 10 hour days starting at 5am?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mass job loss due to automation has been predicted since the industrial revolution. It hasn't happened yet. Jobs have changed, but not gone away. This seems to be the likely pattern that will be repeated in the coming decades.

This. Learn to service your A.I. overlords and robots. Become good squires and servants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mass job loss due to automation has been predicted since the industrial revolution. It hasn't happened yet. Jobs have changed, but not gone away. This seems to be the likely pattern that will be repeated in the coming decades.

+1 AI will create new jobs.

This argument sounds ridiculous if you make it about anything other the humans. Did horse employment ever recover after the invention of cars and trains? No, it did not, the utility of horses declined substantially. There is no cosmic rule of the universe that dictates that automation will create enough new jobs to offset job losses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One idea would be for the states (and DC) to ban self-serve gas at filling stations.

They do this in NJ and Oregon, I think. It’s also a safety issue to have just anyone do this.

Bring back full-service.

Full service truly sucks. You have to wait for them to get to you then wait for them to get back to you so you can pay. They frequently hit the side of your car with the pump nozzle. The jobs should make the customer experience better, not worse.

But the reason NJ and OR rely on is that self-service is a safety hazard because the general public is not properly trained to handle hazardous substances, which includes gasoline.

Ok, that got a chuckle out of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mass job loss due to automation has been predicted since the industrial revolution. It hasn't happened yet. Jobs have changed, but not gone away. This seems to be the likely pattern that will be repeated in the coming decades.

+1 AI will create new jobs.

This argument sounds ridiculous if you make it about anything other the humans. Did horse employment ever recover after the invention of cars and trains? No, it did not, the utility of horses declined substantially. There is no cosmic rule of the universe that dictates that automation will create enough new jobs to offset job losses.

Trolling?
Replace horse with automobile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem AI is trying to solve is "I don't want to pay people" and the result is a less satisfactory product than if you just paid the people who already do the jobs.

Think about call centers - does anybody want an AI chat bot to resolve a customer service problem? No, it's useless. Does anybody want to call an offshore call center? Also no, though it's usually better than AI. But people love the US-based hotlines and higher-end bank service lines. You have to pay for a good customer service experience, there is no way around that.

I think this line of thought does not recognize the significant improvements in AI. Soon you won't know whether you are talking to a person on a script or to a bot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem AI is trying to solve is "I don't want to pay people" and the result is a less satisfactory product than if you just paid the people who already do the jobs.

Think about call centers - does anybody want an AI chat bot to resolve a customer service problem? No, it's useless. Does anybody want to call an offshore call center? Also no, though it's usually better than AI. But people love the US-based hotlines and higher-end bank service lines. You have to pay for a good customer service experience, there is no way around that.

I think this line of thought does not recognize the significant improvements in AI. Soon you won't know whether you are talking to a person on a script or to a bot.

It was revealed recently that Reddit had thousands of A.I. bots participating there posing as regular humans, and nobody knew until the study went public. Not even the mods there knew supposedly.