Andor - S2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

She tells Eedy at dinner that her parents were criminals and went to jail when she was three so she was put into and grew up in an Imperial kinderblock. So basically she had no family and she’s probably been indoctrinated re the Empire since she was 3. She knows NOTHING else. No love, no emotions, nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

She tells Eedy at dinner that her parents were criminals and went to jail when she was three so she was put into and grew up in an Imperial kinderblock. So basically she had no family and she’s probably been indoctrinated re the Empire since she was 3. She knows NOTHING else. No love, no emotions, nothing.

Except the math doesn't work because she would have grown up in a Republic Kinderblock. Remember Luke and Leia are only 18 or 19 in a New Hope and Andor starts 5 years before then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

She tells Eedy at dinner that her parents were criminals and went to jail when she was three so she was put into and grew up in an Imperial kinderblock. So basically she had no family and she’s probably been indoctrinated re the Empire since she was 3. She knows NOTHING else. No love, no emotions, nothing.

Except the math doesn't work because she would have grown up in a Republic Kinderblock. Remember Luke and Leia are only 18 or 19 in a New Hope and Andor starts 5 years before then.

Well that’s what she says. Maybe there is a twist in the last few episodes. Who knows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

She tells Eedy at dinner that her parents were criminals and went to jail when she was three so she was put into and grew up in an Imperial kinderblock. So basically she had no family and she’s probably been indoctrinated re the Empire since she was 3. She knows NOTHING else. No love, no emotions, nothing.

Except the math doesn't work because she would have grown up in a Republic Kinderblock. Remember Luke and Leia are only 18 or 19 in a New Hope and Andor starts 5 years before then.

Well that’s what she says. Maybe there is a twist in the last few episodes. Who knows.

I don't know. Maybe losing Syril leads her to do something like leak Death Star data. Maybe she finds Luthen and has him killed and doubles down. Maybe Lonnie has her killed to save himself. Maybe she catches Lonnie. I could honestly see it going anywhere with her.

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Anonymous wrote:The scene where Dedra is desperately trying to push down the horror for what she's done was haunting. The actress really did a great job.

I think ultimately Syril found it easier to direct his rage and guilt onto Andor than to actually wrestle with what he'd done. He was so close to getting it, but found a distraction and paid for it.

I've always thought that what made Syril compelling is you see how he thinks he's the hero in the story. And when that finally falls apart for him, he can't handle it.

And the final blow is realizing that Cassian doesn't even know who he is.

I read a great analysis on Syril and his character arc that hints at this. It states that Syril probably was being led to believe by Dedra that the end mission was to infiltrate the local rebels to get the big time rebels like Cassian to come to Ghorman and when he realized he had been played, even by Dedra, he couldn't handle the Empire using him, his girlfriend lying to him, the rebels being disgusted by him, his mother being right all along and then Cassian, the reason he got fired from his job in Season 1, having no clue who he was, he lost it. No one really cared about him.

It surmised that if he had lived he would have gone off somewhere to be alone, he wouldn't have gone with either the rebels or back to the Empire.

I saw an interview with the actress who played Dedra that said her family has a name for the scowl she does, and when she got this role she thought, finally, it has paid off. She is exaggerating it for the role.

While I appreciate that Andor doesn't spoon feed, I could have used a teeny bit more clarity on the Syril situation, but it's kind of a moot point.

He definitely deflected all of his feelings onto Cassian - I'm sure in the end he was thinking, "If this guy had just gone to jail I wouldn't be dealing with any of this."

RIP Syril and your awkward dinner party.

[Anonymous]

I liked the ending. It was much quieter compared to last week's episodes but felt fitting.

I need to rewatch Rogue One now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scene where Dedra is desperately trying to push down the horror for what she's done was haunting. The actress really did a great job.

I think ultimately Syril found it easier to direct his rage and guilt onto Andor than to actually wrestle with what he'd done. He was so close to getting it, but found a distraction and paid for it.

I've always thought that what made Syril compelling is you see how he thinks he's the hero in the story. And when that finally falls apart for him, he can't handle it.

And the final blow is realizing that Cassian doesn't even know who he is.

I read a great analysis on Syril and his character arc that hints at this. It states that Syril probably was being led to believe by Dedra that the end mission was to infiltrate the local rebels to get the big time rebels like Cassian to come to Ghorman and when he realized he had been played, even by Dedra, he couldn't handle the Empire using him, his girlfriend lying to him, the rebels being disgusted by him, his mother being right all along and then Cassian, the reason he got fired from his job in Season 1, having no clue who he was, he lost it. No one really cared about him.

It surmised that if he had lived he would have gone off somewhere to be alone, he wouldn't have gone with either the rebels or back to the Empire.

I saw an interview with the actress who played Dedra that said her family has a name for the scowl she does, and when she got this role she thought, finally, it has paid off. She is exaggerating it for the role.

While I appreciate that Andor doesn't spoon feed, I could have used a teeny bit more clarity on the Syril situation, but it's kind of a moot point.

He definitely deflected all of his feelings onto Cassian - I'm sure in the end he was thinking, "If this guy had just gone to jail I wouldn't be dealing with any of this."

RIP Syril and your awkward dinner party.

What sort of clarity?

Sometimes the story can be ambiguous and that's OK because the answer to your question doesn't matter to the rest of the story, and multiple possibilities are interesting to think about regardless of which one is "true".

There are lots of possible reasons why a person does something, and we don't have to know which one carried the most weight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I liked the ending. It was much quieter compared to last week's episodes but felt fitting.

I need to rewatch Rogue One now.

Episode 12 had to be just an epilogue because it has to end right at the beginning of Rogue One, so it's just cleaning up the board after the Andor arcs.

One thing missed was that the 1 year gaps between arcs didn't work well. Yes, it gave a little freedom to adjust the character's relationships with each other, but it didn't really feel like everyone spent a year doing anything between what we saw. It would have been nice to have establishing shots and dialog that showed the build up of Yavin and what happened between the mini-seasons we saw.

It was a bit jarring to see Wil jump from one girlfriend to the next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And just how deeply disturbing that scene where he chokes her is. You don't have to like Dedra at all to find that hard to watch, there's something very visceral and frightening watching it play out.

Choking has a powerful history in Star Wars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I liked the ending. It was much quieter compared to last week's episodes but felt fitting.

I need to rewatch Rogue One now.

Episode 12 had to be just an epilogue because it has to end right at the beginning of Rogue One, so it's just cleaning up the board after the Andor arcs.

One thing missed was that the 1 year gaps between arcs didn't work well. Yes, it gave a little freedom to adjust the character's relationships with each other, but it didn't really feel like everyone spent a year doing anything between what we saw. It would have been nice to have establishing shots and dialog that showed the build up of Yavin and what happened between the mini-seasons we saw.

It was a bit jarring to see Wil jump from one girlfriend to the next.

Wilmon was still with Dreena at the end.

I liked this ending and how it delivered us to the doorstep of Rogue One. Loved the Bix reveal, which was a nice surprise.

Even though Dedra is terrible I felt legitimately sorry for her. The prison was an OMG reveal and a sad full circle for her. She never wanted the Ghorman job. I legit gasped when they talked about her retaining files that were supposedly misdirected to her. Girl, no.

I was a little bummed that we saw Mothma's husband but not the daughter.

[Anonymous]

Dedra was included in a Signal chat by accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dedra was included in a Signal chat by accident.

LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I liked the ending. It was much quieter compared to last week's episodes but felt fitting.

I need to rewatch Rogue One now.

The writers did a masterful job tying Andor into Rogue One and yet making it a stand-alone story.

[Anonymous]

I watched Rouge One for the first time after finishing Andor S2. Amazing watch. I loved it.