Andor - S2

[Anonymous]

Previous thread is here.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/1083571.page#24572936

This is such a great show. It deserves all the Emmys. Manages to inject moments of laugh out loud humor in what can be a bleak landscape of authoritarian oppression.

Can we talk about Dedra and Syril and that dinner party with Syril's mom? OMG, I was dying laughing. Best TV dinner party since The Office Dinner Party episode. The actress that plays Dedra is phenomenal.

Just like I loved the details in the last season about how the Empire gradually destroyed the Aldani culture, I love Dedra's plotting on Ghorman, even though it's actually terrible. I like the realistic portrayal of there being no good choices - Mon marrying off her daughter, the guy giving up Brazzo to the Empire, Bix's addiction.

Character development is actually a real thing. Loved how we got Dedra's story - call back to a conversation she had early in Season 1 AND it explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.

Anyway, I know there are some other Andor fans on here. Weigh in!

[Anonymous]

Kellen didn't betray Brasso. Brasso covering for Kellen so the Empire wouldn't blame Kellen for harboring Brasso.

[Anonymous]

Desert planet, ice planet, forest planet, Paris planet

[Anonymous]

I have to give props to all the actors on this show. Making complex antagonists isn't easy and boy did they deliver with Syril and Dedra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have to give props to all the actors on this show. Making complex antagonists isn't easy and boy did they deliver with Syril and Dedra.

*spoilers below*

Yes, when Syril died I found myself really disappointed. I really wanted to see his story progress. I suspected that while he valued law and order he wasn't going to go along with Dedra and the Empire's deceit. And he had developed a bond with the Ghormans (Ghor?). Very sad to see him go.

Unfortunately I think Dedra becomes even more of a monster, and I am not really looking forward to that.

[Anonymous]

"The distance between what is said, and what is known to be true, has become an abyss.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands - we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest. "

Andor is my C-SPAN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to give props to all the actors on this show. Making complex antagonists isn't easy and boy did they deliver with Syril and Dedra.

*spoilers below*

Yes, when Syril died I found myself really disappointed. I really wanted to see his story progress. I suspected that while he valued law and order he wasn't going to go along with Dedra and the Empire's deceit. And he had developed a bond with the Ghormans (Ghor?). Very sad to see him go.

Unfortunately I think Dedra becomes even more of a monster, and I am not really looking forward to that.

Me too. I was looking forward to a dark comedy spinoff of Dedra and Syril being weird and having more dinners with Syril's mom.

But it really was the only way his character could go.

The actress who plays Dedra is very compelling - she's made the character much more interesting than she should be.

Luthen's probably toast now, but I hope Kleya survives.

[Anonymous]

The scene where Dedra is desperately trying to push down the horror for what she's done was haunting. The actress really did a great job.

I think ultimately Syril found it easier to direct his rage and guilt onto Andor than to actually wrestle with what he'd done. He was so close to getting it, but found a distraction and paid for it.

I've always thought that what made Syril compelling is you see how he thinks he's the hero in the story. And when that finally falls apart for him, he can't handle it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scene where Dedra is desperately trying to push down the horror for what she's done was haunting. The actress really did a great job.

I think ultimately Syril found it easier to direct his rage and guilt onto Andor than to actually wrestle with what he'd done. He was so close to getting it, but found a distraction and paid for it.

I've always thought that what made Syril compelling is you see how he thinks he's the hero in the story. And when that finally falls apart for him, he can't handle it.

And the final blow is realizing that Cassian doesn't even know who he is.

[Anonymous]

And just how deeply disturbing that scene where he chokes her is. You don't have to like Dedra at all to find that hard to watch, there's something very visceral and frightening watching it play out.

[Anonymous]

A for us the best Star Wars spin off, certainly the darkest. Diego Luna is amazing. Dedra should get an Emmy just for the way she scowls and purses her lips together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scene where Dedra is desperately trying to push down the horror for what she's done was haunting. The actress really did a great job.

I think ultimately Syril found it easier to direct his rage and guilt onto Andor than to actually wrestle with what he'd done. He was so close to getting it, but found a distraction and paid for it.

I've always thought that what made Syril compelling is you see how he thinks he's the hero in the story. And when that finally falls apart for him, he can't handle it.

And the final blow is realizing that Cassian doesn't even know who he is.

I read a great analysis on Syril and his character arc that hints at this. It states that Syril probably was being led to believe by Dedra that the end mission was to infiltrate the local rebels to get the big time rebels like Cassian to come to Ghorman and when he realized he had been played, even by Dedra, he couldn't handle the Empire using him, his girlfriend lying to him, the rebels being disgusted by him, his mother being right all along and then Cassian, the reason he got fired from his job in Season 1, having no clue who he was, he lost it. No one really cared about him.

It surmised that if he had lived he would have gone off somewhere to be alone, he wouldn't have gone with either the rebels or back to the Empire.

I saw an interview with the actress who played Dedra that said her family has a name for the scowl she does, and when she got this role she thought, finally, it has paid off. She is exaggerating it for the role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A for us the best Star Wars spin off, certainly the darkest. Diego Luna is amazing. Dedra should get an Emmy just for the way she scowls and purses her lips together.

I loved Star Wars as a kid, my brother and Ibwould play Degobah as kids and honestly Andor might just be my favorite bit of Star Wars media ever.

[Anonymous]

Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I clearly missed this- what episode “explains why she's ride or die for the Empire.” Gives me a reason to rewatch!

I'm not PP, but I think it's the detail that she was raised in a government orphanage that comes put during the dinner scene.

Although I try to remember the gap between ROTS and Season 1, is what 14 or 15 years, the actress who plays her is in her 40s, so even assuming in some license to adjust ages, Dedra and Syril would have actually grown up under the Republic before Palpatine seized power.