Worth the AAP Appeal?

[Anonymous]

bummer77 wrote:
Current Grade: 2nd
NNAT: - Did not take
CoGAT: 145
In Pool (Yes/No): Yes
iReady Math Percentile: 99
iReady Reading Percentile: 95
HOPE (good/bad/etc, # of exceptional subjects): 4R, 3S, 4O
Exceptional - Math, Reading
Subject-specific AAP - Already enrolled.
WISC - Awaiting results.

We disagree with a 2 or 3 of the HOPE score ratings. The impressions we got when he met the teacher earlier was that she had collected some good samples and seemed positive for AAP. But with the HOPE score she gave makes us feel blindsided a bit. Well, at this point it is what it is but the main thing is that the the kid is capable of handling much more complexity and is not being challenged enough. Otherwise we wouldn't even think about pushing for AAP if we felt his little brain wasn't ready.
Appreciate your thoughts!

Absolutely. HOPE is always a hit or miss. This is a great example of how the parents/family should take charge instead of relying on public school teachers who don't really see the giant inside your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

Nope. Just keeping it real. Go ahead and try the appeal.

You all need to realize the AAP program isn't just about the academics. They looking for a certain type of individual to fit the model and be part of their school population.

Doesn't affect me if you OP wants to go ahead to GMU and pay the $400 - 500 for a WISC school.

With the Hope rating for 4R, it's almost a lock of no shot.

True if you have the $$$ and time appeal should work fine. That's how many kids get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

Nope. Just keeping it real. Go ahead and try the appeal.

You all need to realize the AAP program isn't just about the academics. They looking for a certain type of individual to fit the model and be part of their school population.

Doesn't affect me if you OP wants to go ahead to GMU and pay the $400 - 500 for a WISC school.

With the Hope rating for 4R, it's almost a lock of no shot.

Do not listen to this troll, OP. My child got in with comparable scores and is in a mid to high ses school. Didn't even need the wisc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

Nope. Just keeping it real. Go ahead and try the appeal.

You all need to realize the AAP program isn't just about the academics. They looking for a certain type of individual to fit the model and be part of their school population.

Doesn't affect me if you OP wants to go ahead to GMU and pay the $400 - 500 for a WISC school.

With the Hope rating for 4R, it's almost a lock of no shot.

Do not listen to this troll, OP. My child got in with comparable scores and is in a mid to high ses school. Didn't even need the wisc.

Your child got in with similar HOPE rating or Similar NNAT/CoGAT/iReady?

No one is trolling. Providing real context.

[Anonymous]

OP here: thank you for all the advice, will take it with a grain of salt! We did appeal and we also got WISC done which came at 150. Kid also got a good rank in Math Kangaroo. I truly believe in the theory of poor handwriting in the work sample mentioned by one of the PP for rejection- kid would start a sentence from center left with font size 16 and end up on top right with font size 6! Even some of the math samples submitted, it was hard to differentiate between 6 and 8 and also poor photocopies of the original work. So I do believe that’s the reason that work against her. Also we are not truly contesting all the HOPE scores even in rarely or sometimes category, few of them are accurate but some are not. Kid did all her samples herself, she is really not getting challenged in the current school. After this if FCPS decides my kid doesn’t belong in AAP then as parents will have to do some else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here: thank you for all the advice, will take it with a grain of salt! We did appeal and we also got WISC done which came at 150. Kid also got a good rank in Math Kangaroo. I truly believe in the theory of poor handwriting in the work sample mentioned by one of the PP for rejection- kid would start a sentence from center left with font size 16 and end up on top right with font size 6! Even some of the math samples submitted, it was hard to differentiate between 6 and 8 and also poor photocopies of the original work. So I do believe that’s the reason that work against her. Also we are not truly contesting all the HOPE scores even in rarely or sometimes category, few of them are accurate but some are not. Kid did all her samples herself, she is really not getting challenged in the current school. After this if FCPS decides my kid doesn’t belong in AAP then as parents will have to do some else.

WISC 150 will get you in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here: thank you for all the advice, will take it with a grain of salt! We did appeal and we also got WISC done which came at 150. Kid also got a good rank in Math Kangaroo. I truly believe in the theory of poor handwriting in the work sample mentioned by one of the PP for rejection- kid would start a sentence from center left with font size 16 and end up on top right with font size 6! Even some of the math samples submitted, it was hard to differentiate between 6 and 8 and also poor photocopies of the original work. So I do believe that’s the reason that work against her. Also we are not truly contesting all the HOPE scores even in rarely or sometimes category, few of them are accurate but some are not. Kid did all her samples herself, she is really not getting challenged in the current school. After this if FCPS decides my kid doesn’t belong in AAP then as parents will have to do some else.

You should sue the school for discrimination if your child doesn’t get in with those scores. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here: thank you for all the advice, will take it with a grain of salt! We did appeal and we also got WISC done which came at 150. Kid also got a good rank in Math Kangaroo. I truly believe in the theory of poor handwriting in the work sample mentioned by one of the PP for rejection- kid would start a sentence from center left with font size 16 and end up on top right with font size 6! Even some of the math samples submitted, it was hard to differentiate between 6 and 8 and also poor photocopies of the original work. So I do believe that’s the reason that work against her. Also we are not truly contesting all the HOPE scores even in rarely or sometimes category, few of them are accurate but some are not. Kid did all her samples herself, she is really not getting challenged in the current school. After this if FCPS decides my kid doesn’t belong in AAP then as parents will have to do some else.

If your kid did all the samples, did she also provide a brief explanation? Our AART said kids should always explain their thinking on parent samples, at least.

[Anonymous]

I appealed but could not get over a poor HOPE score on appeal. That was a horrible teacher. We didn't apply this year but I think we should have. We're going to try to get principal placed.

[Anonymous]

Please do, it will very likely In.
Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
WISC 150 will get you in.

I beg to differ. Last year our 2nd grade DD had an NNAT of 160 and CoGAT of 153 and was found not eligible. The committee does not understand standard deviation. They absolutely prioritize work samples, because, obviously, any kid could get those scores if they were prepped (!!) So we had her spend time on work samples and she got in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
WISC 150 will get you in.

I beg to differ. Last year our 2nd grade DD had an NNAT of 160 and CoGAT of 153 and was found not eligible. The committee does not understand standard deviation. They absolutely prioritize work samples, because, obviously, any kid could get those scores if they were prepped (!!) So we had her spend time on work samples and she got in on appeal.

For years people on this board went on and on about how the parent questionnaire and parent work samples didn't matter. Maybe it used to be true (I don't think so), but given the committee seems to emphasize a complete picture of the child, I think it's definitely bogus now.