Worth the AAP Appeal?

[bummer77]

Current Grade: 2nd
NNAT: - Did not take
CoGAT: 145
In Pool (Yes/No): Yes
iReady Math Percentile: 99
iReady Reading Percentile: 95
HOPE (good/bad/etc, # of exceptional subjects): 4R, 3S, 4O
Exceptional - Math, Reading
Subject-specific AAP - Already enrolled.
WISC - Awaiting results.

We disagree with a 2 or 3 of the HOPE score ratings. The impressions we got when he met the teacher earlier was that she had collected some good samples and seemed positive for AAP. But with the HOPE score she gave makes us feel blindsided a bit. Well, at this point it is what it is but the main thing is that the the kid is capable of handling much more complexity and is not being challenged enough. Otherwise we wouldn't even think about pushing for AAP if we felt his little brain wasn't ready.
Appreciate your thoughts!

[Anonymous]

Yes, definitely appeal.

[Anonymous]

I would.

[Anonymous]

Definitely appeal. The HOPE score should be used to find students who otherwise wouldn’t stand out as advanced. It isn’t meant to keep kids out of AAP. CogAT is very high and IReady scores are also high, plus the teacher said he is exceptional in math and reading. Put together great samples that show your son doing advanced beyond his grade math. Request his full iready scores. The scoresheet in SIS only shows “above 2nd grade”, you can review his full score report that will show how far above 2nd grade he is. It will also show if he is above grade level for any of the reading section.

[Anonymous]

OP. I wouldn't bother with an appeal IF the HOPE score isn't good.

The scores on the NNAT, CoGAT, iReady, SOL, etc are the first rows of filters. Meaning that if your child score(s) don't even meet the min requirement, they don't even look at him/her.

Once they do, then they focus mainly on the HOPE rating.

RMB, these FULL services AAP schools are looking for a certain mold of students.

Your child unfortunately, while academically smart, does not fit the personality traits they 'want.'

You can appeal but I can tell you from experience that it will not make a difference with the current HOPE rating your posted.

Your 4 rarely will not be overlooked.

You have a long shot by taking the WISCV test offered by GMU but I would say that your child needs to be 150+ to even have a shot.

I wanted to present you with realistic experience.

You can either try again next year and hopes your child gets a teacher that clicks with him/her or go to another school that has a weaker pool of candidate that they are sending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP. I wouldn't bother with an appeal IF the HOPE score isn't good.

The scores on the NNAT, CoGAT, iReady, SOL, etc are the first rows of filters. Meaning that if your child score(s) don't even meet the min requirement, they don't even look at him/her.

Once they do, then they focus mainly on the HOPE rating.

RMB, these FULL services AAP schools are looking for a certain mold of students.

Your child unfortunately, while academically smart, does not fit the personality traits they 'want.'

You can appeal but I can tell you from experience that it will not make a difference with the current HOPE rating your posted.

Your 4 rarely will not be overlooked.

You have a long shot by taking the WISCV test offered by GMU but I would say that your child needs to be 150+ to even have a shot.

I wanted to present you with realistic experience.

You can either try again next year and hopes your child gets a teacher that clicks with him/her or go to another school that has a weaker pool of candidate that they are sending.

You are insane.

[Anonymous]

^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

Nope. Just keeping it real. Go ahead and try the appeal.

You all need to realize the AAP program isn't just about the academics. They looking for a certain type of individual to fit the model and be part of their school population.

Doesn't affect me if you OP wants to go ahead to GMU and pay the $400 - 500 for a WISC school.

With the Hope rating for 4R, it's almost a lock of no shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP. I wouldn't bother with an appeal IF the HOPE score isn't good.

The scores on the NNAT, CoGAT, iReady, SOL, etc are the first rows of filters. Meaning that if your child score(s) don't even meet the min requirement, they don't even look at him/her.

Once they do, then they focus mainly on the HOPE rating.

RMB, these FULL services AAP schools are looking for a certain mold of students.

Your child unfortunately, while academically smart, does not fit the personality traits they 'want.'

You can appeal but I can tell you from experience that it will not make a difference with the current HOPE rating your posted.

Your 4 rarely will not be overlooked.

You have a long shot by taking the WISCV test offered by GMU but I would say that your child needs to be 150+ to even have a shot.

I wanted to present you with realistic experience.

You can either try again next year and hopes your child gets a teacher that clicks with him/her or go to another school that has a weaker pool of candidate that they are sending.

NP. Please tell me the grades of your AAP child(ren).

- someone with 3 AAP kids, oldest in 7th, who has had a WILDLY different experience than you regrading the existence or lack thereof of a "mold" of kids.

[Anonymous]

They are manipulating who gets into AAP so that less white/asian/higher SES students get in. That is the only explanation for a student with 145 cogat high iReady scores, and advanced in math and reading to not get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are manipulating who gets into AAP so that less white/asian/higher SES students get in. That is the only explanation for a student with 145 cogat high iReady scores, and advanced in math and reading to not get in.

Blah blah blah. No they are not doing that at all.

There is no "mold". This is clear because there is a large percentage of 2e kids in AAP with ADHD or ASD who do not have flawless behavior. Anyone with kids in AAP knows this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are manipulating who gets into AAP so that less white/asian/higher SES students get in. That is the only explanation for a student with 145 cogat high iReady scores, and advanced in math and reading to not get in.

Blah blah blah. No they are not doing that at all.

There is no "mold". This is clear because there is a large percentage of 2e kids in AAP with ADHD or ASD who do not have flawless behavior. Anyone with kids in AAP knows this.

+1 million

And kids without diagnoses who do not have flawless behavior.

Yes the HOPE matters a ton, but not because of some "mold" or because the conspiracy theories are true. They are indeed trying to impact the racial/ethnic composition of the program somewhat, but not this directly. Just having HOPE and local norms was their tactic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. I wouldn't bother with an appeal IF the HOPE score isn't good.

The scores on the NNAT, CoGAT, iReady, SOL, etc are the first rows of filters. Meaning that if your child score(s) don't even meet the min requirement, they don't even look at him/her.

Once they do, then they focus mainly on the HOPE rating.

RMB, these FULL services AAP schools are looking for a certain mold of students.

Your child unfortunately, while academically smart, does not fit the personality traits they 'want.'

You can appeal but I can tell you from experience that it will not make a difference with the current HOPE rating your posted.

Your 4 rarely will not be overlooked.

You have a long shot by taking the WISCV test offered by GMU but I would say that your child needs to be 150+ to even have a shot.

I wanted to present you with realistic experience.

You can either try again next year and hopes your child gets a teacher that clicks with him/her or go to another school that has a weaker pool of candidate that they are sending.

NP. Please tell me the grades of your AAP child(ren).

- someone with 3 AAP kids, oldest in 7th, who has had a WILDLY different experience than you regrading the existence or lack thereof of a "mold" of kids.

The PP who is insisting kids need a 150+ WISC is either insane, a troll, or an idiot. Due to ceiling effects in the test, it's nearly impossible to score 150+ FSIQ. If your kid has a 19 score in any subsection, there may be a ceiling effect in place.

Also, no one needs ludicrously high WISC scores to be admitted into AAP. OP needs to craft a narrative about why her kid isn't demonstrating gifted behaviors in the regular classroom, and why the kid would thrive in AAP. Include a couple nice looking work samples, and the kid likely would get in even without the high WISC.

[Anonymous]

Here's my weird conspiracy theory: I think the work samples matter a lot, but not in the way you'd expect. They don't have a ton of time with each file, and they're not going to do more than quickly glance at the sample or read the first line or two. If the work samples don't look like "AAP level work" when they do their quick glance, I bet the kid often gets rejected.

I had a kid who was mysteriously rejected years ago. The AART sat down with me and we tried to figure out why my kid was rejected. The only thing we came up with was that while the work samples had wonderful, creative stories, the handwriting was sloppy, and my kid misspelled a bunch of words early in the story.

I submitted a parent letter in the appeals along with new work samples that all had better handwriting and no spelling mistakes. Kid got in.

The process is really, really, really stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^A WISC of 145 is the 99.9th percentile. AAP serves around 20% of the population. You’re insane, a troll, or an idiot.

Nope. Just keeping it real. Go ahead and try the appeal.

You all need to realize the AAP program isn't just about the academics. They looking for a certain type of individual to fit the model and be part of their school population.

Doesn't affect me if you OP wants to go ahead to GMU and pay the $400 - 500 for a WISC school.

With the Hope rating for 4R, it's almost a lock of no shot.

No. You're not keeping it real at all. Keeping it real might be to tell someone with high scores that the WISC won't likely change anything, and that they should instead focus on a letter demonstrating why their kid's needs can't be met in general education, why their kid might not be displaying gifted behaviors in the classroom, and why their kid would thrive in AAP. If the WISC was already taken, "keeping it real" would be telling the parent that even a high WISC won't stand on its own, and the parent will still need a parent letter and new work samples for the appeal.

It is not at all "keeping it real" to tell someone who has already done the WISC that the score is not good enough to include unless it's 150+.