s/o what people are people thinking of when they refer to "illegal immigrants?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of question is this? Any alien on US territories without valid US government permission.

There is immigration law. There is INS.

Of course 'no human is illegal'.

I agree and this is silly conversation that isn't relevant to the much more important discussion on immigration reform.

[Anonymous]

OP here:
I asked this because, for example, Venezuelans entered the US under Temporary Protected Status but may people react as if by virtue of being Venezuela they must be illegal immigrants. As for asylum, whatever some random dcumer's opinion that they are all lies is, said random dcumer has obvbiously never lived someplace where they lived in perpetual danger. Furthermore, asylum proceedings are proceedings conducted BY LAW, and more immigration judges would have helped handle the backlog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here:
I asked this because, for example, Venezuelans entered the US under Temporary Protected Status but may people react as if by virtue of being Venezuela they must be illegal immigrants. As for asylum, whatever some random dcumer's opinion that they are all lies is, said random dcumer has obvbiously never lived someplace where they lived in perpetual danger. Furthermore, asylum proceedings are proceedings conducted BY LAW, and more immigration judges would have helped handle the backlog.

People in the US on TPS are documented with an EAD card and by all means legally in the US. Anyone who thinks they are "illegal" is in idiot.

Yes, we need immigration law reform which includes asylum law reform. When hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers are sent to NYC in a matter of months to live in hotels for an indefinite amount of time while waiting to have their case be heard, you know whatever we're doing is being done the wrong way and it needs to be fixed immediately and yes, more judges could be part of that remedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of question is this? Any alien on US territories without valid US government permission.

There is immigration law. There is INS.

Of course 'no human is illegal'.

I agree and this is silly conversation that isn't relevant to the much more important discussion on immigration reform.

TPS are here legally but almost all of this should be revoked. Haitians have been here for 25 years. That is not temporary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of question is this? Any alien on US territories without valid US government permission.

There is immigration law. There is INS.

Of course 'no human is illegal'.

I agree and this is silly conversation that isn't relevant to the much more important discussion on immigration reform.

TPS are here legally but almost all of this should be revoked. Haitians have been here for 25 years. That is not temporary.

Temporary could be 3 years or could be 76 years. Now is not the time when their TPS status can be revoked based on the stability of their home country. And for the record, I've had the luxury of meeting and working with many, many Haitians here in the DC metro area who are either on TPS or have acquired other citizenship statuses and I'm 99% percent sure that 99% of them contribute more to society than you or I do. You're barking up the wrong tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of question is this? Any alien on US territories without valid US government permission.

There is immigration law. There is INS.

Of course 'no human is illegal'.

I agree and this is silly conversation that isn't relevant to the much more important discussion on immigration reform.

TPS are here legally but almost all of this should be revoked. Haitians have been here for 25 years. That is not temporary.

Temporary could be 3 years or could be 76 years. Now is not the time when their TPS status can be revoked based on the stability of their home country. And for the record, I've had the luxury of meeting and working with many, many Haitians here in the DC metro area who are either on TPS or have acquired other citizenship statuses and I'm 99% percent sure that 99% of them contribute more to society than you or I do. You're barking up the wrong tree.

When has Haiti ever been stable?

Perhaps if those good Haitians contributed to Haiti, they wouldn't have to flee here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the asylum seekers are frauds, just making up stories, when they are actually coming for better economic prospects.

Most of these people are coached by lawyers on what to say to convince an immigration judge.

This. Fraudulently obtaining TPS with a bogus asylum claim is illegal. Those that have TPS because they are pursuing a bogus asylum claim are therefore illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the asylum seekers are frauds, just making up stories, when they are actually coming for better economic prospects.

Most of these people are coached by lawyers on what to say to convince an immigration judge.

This. Fraudulently obtaining TPS with a bogus asylum claim is illegal. Those that have TPS because they are pursuing a bogus asylum claim are therefore illegal.

You're right. With all of our judges and immigration legal infrastructure, we should investigate each and every person here with TPS to reevaluate the legitimacy of their initial asylum claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown people

Have think this is it. A large number of illegal crossing in the past several years have been by the Chinese but I don’t see them getting deported en masse.

[Anonymous]

If the system is abused, people sour on the whole asylum system and want it all shut down.

[Anonymous]

I used to have a simple rubric for what made an immigrant legal- they were granted some kind of status by the US government.

However, Biden had a policy of granting status to anyone who entered our border, regardless of circumstance, as long as they claimed to be seeking asylum.

Now things are fuzzy. So I tend to think people are illegal if they made specious claims of asylum, if they have a record that would have prevented entry under presidents other than Biden, or if they enter for the purpose of undermining our democracy and therefore are eligible for removal.