Has Elon Worn Out His Welcome?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


This. Immense amount of in-process work and tons of work teams have been destroyed and can't be reconstituted. The cost of the destruction is large.

Just like Trump's destroying the trust of allies -- a month to do, but decades to 'fix.'
Anonymous
He was never wanted in the first place.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


The CDC basically doesn't exist anymore.
The DOJ and FBI are being gutted as are most other federal agencies.
Defense contracts are being cancelled and the boycott America in Europe and Canada are in full swing.

Can it be undone? Sure. But why would anyone trust the USA right now? Or trust that DiSantis or someone else won't come in in another cycle and do all of this again?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


New blood didn't happen. It is no blood. Nothing. There is little left. They have gutted too much and destroyed decades of expertise.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If Musk’s role is ending in May then isn’t he leaving soon anyway? Dementia Donnie seems confused again.


Yeah this seems like another example of let's announce something that we already said was going to happen, hoping people aren't paying attention and think we are solving a problem (that we created) and taking action.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


Mass firing probationary employees is not a good strategy for getting in "new blood."

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


Mass firing probationary employees is not a good strategy for getting in "new blood."



Many are being rehired, chaotically and messily.

At this point, it's going to be more of an issue of convincing them to return and stay rather than take the money and run to a better job. With Musk fired, that might be doable. Lawsuits are taking us partway there. It's really up to Congress to take us the rest of the way.

They're going to have to step up and do their job.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


Mass firing probationary employees is not a good strategy for getting in "new blood."



Many are being rehired, chaotically and messily.

At this point, it's going to be more of an issue of convincing them to return and stay rather than take the money and run to a better job. With Musk fired, that might be doable. Lawsuits are taking us partway there. It's really up to Congress to take us the rest of the way.

They're going to have to step up and do their job.


Yes, and many of those rehired or brought back under court order have no work to do. My partner is in this boat. She was brought back by the courts but the projects she was working on are still gone. She has nothing to do for 99% of her day.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


Did the federal government really need all their 50 year olds with 20 years in to move on? In the US that’s mid career. At my agency, it takes 5 years to achieve minimal competence and really understand the programs. And yet, that’s who took VERA VSIP. We lost a ton of people who were a decade shy of 62. If you don’t understand what a 50/20 can offer agency, you are very young and /very full of yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


The CDC basically doesn't exist anymore.
The DOJ and FBI are being gutted as are most other federal agencies.
Defense contracts are being cancelled and the boycott America in Europe and Canada are in full swing.

Can it be undone? Sure. But why would anyone trust the USA right now? Or trust that DiSantis or someone else won't come in in another cycle and do all of this again?


SSA— years to replace the institutional knowledge lost on very complex programs— based just on 20/50 VERA+ VSIP (DRP was not offered to “mission critical employees. VERA/VSIP was. Most probationary were reassigned, but many quit rather than accept the move or decrease in pay grade).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".


Mass firing probationary employees is not a good strategy for getting in "new blood."



Many are being rehired, chaotically and messily.

At this point, it's going to be more of an issue of convincing them to return and stay rather than take the money and run to a better job. With Musk fired, that might be doable. Lawsuits are taking us partway there. It's really up to Congress to take us the rest of the way.

They're going to have to step up and do their job.


Most are on Admin leave and are expecting to stay there until RIF lists are released in the next couple of weeks. They have the least seniority and will be out again in the RIF. They know this. So, technically, they are “back,” and using their Admin leave to keep a paycheck and health insurance as long as possible while job searching.

You’re fired. Wait you’re hired. Where are your 5 things? You’re fired. #Governmentefficiency.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The damage is done and they are still fully executing Project 2025 so it doesn't really matter.


All actions undertaken can be reversed. This isn’t 1850, he data and systems have been backed up electronically. They are trying to execute, but as it turns out they are pretty bad at everything.


At many agencies, they cannot be reversed because the people with institutional knowledge have been RIF’d or taken VERA/VSIP/DRP. They won’t be coming back. I was 2 years shy of VERA, or I’d be out.


Sure, a lot of people at the end of their career retired, maybe a little bit earlier than they planned and a lot more unhappily. But the federal government has needed them to move on and make room for new blood and now it has happened.

The chaotic messy firings and closing of offices all over the government are reversible, those people are currently out on admin leave right now.

Congress must act - or just not approve these "reorgs".



Having people quickly retire or leave is detrimental to institutional knowledge. The organizations need an orderly schedule to transition projects and knowledge. I have been running into issues from people quickly exiting and those left behind are having to pick up those tasks as they continue to work on their own tasks. Because they aren’t back filling positions left vacant. For some teams like mine, we had open spots we were going to fill when the hiring freeze was issued around Inauguration Day. Trump et al are doing everything within their power to kill the federal government.
Anonymous
Dear Elon,

Thank you. Truly — for everything you’ve done and continue to do for this country. In a time when so many look away or stay silent, you stepped up. You saw the growing imbalance in our institutions, in the federal government, in our colleges, and across the public discourse — and you took action. Not for attention or acclaim, but because you understood something fundamental: if we don’t correct course now, the future of our country — and more importantly, the future of our children — is at stake.

You could have stayed focused on rockets, cars, and neural tech. But instead, you chose to enter the arena of public discourse, where the stakes are higher and the blows come harder. Your acquisition of Twitter was a bold move not just in business, but in principle — to restore a space where freedom of thought could once again thrive. You understood that open dialogue is essential for a free society. And while the costs were high, you did it anyway, because it was right.

Your work has helped expose and begin to unravel the deeply entrenched, one-sided ideology that has dominated federal agencies and academic institutions. This narrow worldview, often masquerading as progress, has been anything but. It has divided communities, eroded personal responsibility, and created an atmosphere where questioning the prevailing narrative is treated as a threat. You’ve dared to question it — and in doing so, you’ve empowered millions to find their voice again.

We especially recognize and deeply empathize with the personal toll this has taken on your life. The pain of watching your own child become distant under the influence of an ideology that seeks to divide families is unimaginable. That experience, sadly, is one that more and more parents are coming to know — and your openness about it has given others the courage to speak out. It is a reminder that this is not just political or cultural. It’s personal. It affects our homes, our children, our future.

You’ve spent your own wealth, your own energy, and risked your reputation — not for applause, but for something greater. And we see you. We honor you. And we thank you. You’ve helped give hope to those who felt alone. You’ve reminded us that America still has a fighting spirit — and that it’s not too late to pull our institutions, our schools, and our culture back toward balance, truth, and unity.

Stay strong. Don’t let today’s critics distract you from the purpose history will ultimately celebrate. You’ve already made a difference. And we’re grateful you chose to lead — not because you had to, but because someone had to.

With deepest respect and appreciation,
Thank you, Elon.
Anonymous
Yup.

Trump's already telegraphing to his allies that Musk's worn out his welcome and will leave soon.

Musk's leaving with his brand tarnished, including Tesla company which has tanked. He should have never allied himself so closely to Trump. Look at Pence, Haley, etc. Everything Trump touches dies.
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