End Experiments on Dogs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not inherently opposed to animal testing, but I am opposed to animal cruelty. It's clear that some of these facilities charging $1000 for test dogs aren't providing proper housing, sanitation and care for their animals.

You don't have to be cruel about it.

One of my family members did their PhD research (medical field) in a lab that used dogs as test subjects. The dogs were all from the pound, slated for euthanasia. The people who worked in the labs were all dog lovers and took teh dogs out for walks and play time and treats. My family member ended up adopting one of the dogs and it lived for another six years as their pet. (The dog ended up serving medicine again, as it had a rare cancer in its old age—because its owner was in the medical field, they had the dog in a trial treatment that was being attempted in dogs before potentially being used for humans. It was not something that would increase suffering but had the potential to avoid an amputation.).

Anyway. I’m sure there are awful dog experiments gojng on. But medical researchers at universities are pretty heavily regulated by the ethics commissions (which is one of the things that I think the Trump NIH rules are trying to cut via the overhead caps), and some of the dogs are treated about as well as they are in the shelters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Animal experiments need to stop but especially for dogs. I can’t imagine what kind of psycho can even bring themselves to participate in that.

I mean, the reality of things like mice studies is you simply wouldn't have any new medicines or medical research, there simply isn't an alternative.

I know someone who is a medical researcher and they quite like their mice and rats, but yes, they do have to euthanize them as part of their research.

This. Would you rather they test on humans? Or halt all new medicine?

NP, and I would prefer that. The best way to see effects on humans is to test on humans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

More of us here than you.

I am not that poster but I much rather they test on animals than humans. Please go sign yourself and your children up to run these experiments so that you can save and dog.

They should experiment on rapists and murderers, not innocent dogs.

This level of bitter ugliness is toxic to you, and I hope you heal.

That said, we have laws against cruel and unusual punishment that prevent this. Not to mention how often we've gotten verdicts horribly wrong and locked up innocent people.

If you want to run tests on humans they have to be opt-in with full informed consent.

[Anonymous]

I can’t read the link, but is there anything the article suggests we can do to help put an end to the cruelty?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

More of us here than you.

I am not that poster but I much rather they test on animals than humans. Please go sign yourself and your children up to run these experiments so that you can save and dog.

They should experiment on rapists and murderers, not innocent dogs.

The dogs are going to die regardless. A lot of them are at kill shelters that are up for euthanasia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

More of us here than you.

I am not that poster but I much rather they test on animals than humans. Please go sign yourself and your children up to run these experiments so that you can save and dog.

They should experiment on rapists and murderers, not innocent dogs.

I mean, let's ugbire ethics and pretend we could do that. Rapists and murders aren't exactly a representative population and you wouldn’t get good data.

You also can't do testing on human populations to start with because the reality is that you'd end up killing huge numbers of people. Mice also have short generations so you can test longer impacts on them.

The reality is animal testing is inevitable so the focus shouldn't be on abolishing animal testing but making sure it is done ethically and humanely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

More of us here than you.

I am not that poster but I much rather they test on animals than humans. Please go sign yourself and your children up to run these experiments so that you can save and dog.

They should experiment on rapists and murderers, not innocent dogs.

I mean, let's ugbire ethics and pretend we could do that. Rapists and murders aren't exactly a representative population and you wouldn’t get good data.

You also can't do testing on human populations to start with because the reality is that you'd end up killing huge numbers of people. Mice also have short generations so you can test longer impacts on them.

The reality is animal testing is inevitable so the focus shouldn't be on abolishing animal testing but making sure it is done ethically and humanely.

People really don’t understand medical research. I mean, how would you test effects on a pregnant uterus using prisoners? And you can’t get to statistical reliability very easily using humans — with a subject like mice you can test more, using less of whatever it is you are testing, and see the results more quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

Lots of people care, Cruella de ville

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Animal experiments need to stop but especially for dogs. I can’t imagine what kind of psycho can even bring themselves to participate in that.

I mean, the reality of things like mice studies is you simply wouldn't have any new medicines or medical research, there simply isn't an alternative.

I know someone who is a medical researcher and they quite like their mice and rats, but yes, they do have to euthanize them as part of their research.

This. Would you rather they test on humans? Or halt all new medicine?

Your “new medicine” is just a money making machine. Please get a real job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares.

Lots of people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Animal experiments need to stop but especially for dogs. I can’t imagine what kind of psycho can even bring themselves to participate in that.

Weren't experiments on dogs Fauci's per project.

Like the beagles?

[Anonymous]

Promising news:

FDA Announces Plan to Phase Out Animal Testing Requirement for Monoclonal Antibodies and Other Drugs

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-announces-plan-phase-out-animal-testing-requirement-monoclonal-antibodies-and-other-drugs

[Anonymous]

Those of you saying we wouldn’t have medicines without cruelty are wrong. Yes some research is medical related. But a lot aren’t. Dogs are still being forced to inhale nicotine for example and pesticides for example.
There’s no need for that.