Chevy Chase ES Center for Enriched Studies

[Anonymous]

There is no high-farm school in CCES area, so I guess no one with 80%ile can get into the lottery for CCES. Am I wrong?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Generally offers are made in late April for the following year.

The program is great, the school overall is phenomenal - but I don’t love the way the CES 4th and 5th graders are so separated from the “regular” kids in the same grade… it feels awkward and creates an isolation that I don’t think is great for the school overall (and it’s hard on kids who come to CES for two years, make close friends, and then get separated out again for middle school).

Is the separation between CES and the home program still happening? I was hoping it would change under the new principal.

My daughter has been in the CES program at Chevy chase for two years. In 4th grade she had no opportunity to mix with the “regular” kids with the exception of instrumental music. As a 5th grader she has lunch/recess and morning CCNN (news network) and seems to have actually gotten to know some of them which has been great. Not sure if the change has anything to do with the new principal.

Honest question, how does it help your DD to mix with the non-CES kids? If it eye up to me, it's prefer my child to spend more time with her CES cohort and make good friends

[Anonymous]

NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

Also NP, but it's a good skill to learn to mix with people of differing ability levels. As an adult, are all your friends and coworkers drawn from people who do well on standardized tests? Mine aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

I mean, how much are different grade levels mixing within schools? My kids may know a few kids a year younger or older, but generally they only interact with kids in their own grade. It’s not terribly different from that. That said, my child attended under the old principal and had lunch/recess every day with best friend who was not in the CES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally offers are made in late April for the following year.

The program is great, the school overall is phenomenal - but I don’t love the way the CES 4th and 5th graders are so separated from the “regular” kids in the same grade… it feels awkward and creates an isolation that I don’t think is great for the school overall (and it’s hard on kids who come to CES for two years, make close friends, and then get separated out again for middle school).

Is the separation between CES and the home program still happening? I was hoping it would change under the new principal.

My daughter has been in the CES program at Chevy chase for two years. In 4th grade she had no opportunity to mix with the “regular” kids with the exception of instrumental music. As a 5th grader she has lunch/recess and morning CCNN (news network) and seems to have actually gotten to know some of them which has been great. Not sure if the change has anything to do with the new principal.

Honest question, how does it help your DD to mix with the non-CES kids? If it eye up to me, it's prefer my child to spend more time with her CES cohort and make good friends

She’ll be going to middle school with the non-CES kids from Chevy chase. She made a great group of friends within the program but unfortunately all of them are headed to different middle schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lottery results will be coming out any day now. If you’re not at a MCPS feeder school then it’s likely too late for the 25/26 school year as the lottery has already happened, they just have to send out results.

Adding that the way they do the lottery means that many many many kids who would be better served by the CES will not get a slot. I personally think they need to go back to using the CoGAT and recommendations for admission but that was seemed inequitable (and COVID made administering the CoGAT hard). Right now the fact that you could be at a 97th percentile and not even make it in the lottery (because “local norming”) while someone at the 80th percentile at another school could get a slot is just not serving gifted kids.

Oh calm down with your victimhood. We’re talking about a broader range for assessing giftedness in young kids rather than a narrow band of standardized tests scores to the exclusion of certain schools.

Furthermore, a lot of parents in good elementary schools would rather keep their kids nearby than send them to CCES so they’re not commuting long distances and because their home school ES teachers are empowered to do some differentiation.

And for the parents who choose to keep their kids at the home school, all the power to them. That doesn’t mean that the choice should be taken away from the people who would prefer CES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lottery results will be coming out any day now. If you’re not at a MCPS feeder school then it’s likely too late for the 25/26 school year as the lottery has already happened, they just have to send out results.

Adding that the way they do the lottery means that many many many kids who would be better served by the CES will not get a slot. I personally think they need to go back to using the CoGAT and recommendations for admission but that was seemed inequitable (and COVID made administering the CoGAT hard). Right now the fact that you could be at a 97th percentile and not even make it in the lottery (because “local norming”) while someone at the 80th percentile at another school could get a slot is just not serving gifted kids.

Oh calm down with your victimhood. We’re talking about a broader range for assessing giftedness in young kids rather than a narrow band of standardized tests scores to the exclusion of certain schools.

Furthermore, a lot of parents in good elementary schools would rather keep their kids nearby than send them to CCES so they’re not commuting long distances and because their home school ES teachers are empowered to do some differentiation.

And for the parents who choose to keep their kids at the home school, all the power to them. That doesn’t mean that the choice should be taken away from the people who would prefer CES.

No one is "taking away choices." They're opting for a broader range of selection criteria for a bunch of 8/9 year olds, recognizing that "gifted" assessment at that age can be a tricky thing, particularly in areas with a big diversity of economic backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no high-farm school in CCES area, so I guess no one with 80%ile can get into the lottery for CCES. Am I wrong?

The enriched center services a larger area than kids in-bound for CCES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no high-farm school in CCES area, so I guess no one with 80%ile can get into the lottery for CCES. Am I wrong?

The enriched center services a larger area than kids in-bound for CCES.

Actually, there is more of a high farms population inbounds for CCES than feeding into the CES because there are a lot of kids from near silver spring that come to CCES. Most of the schools feeding into the CES are quite low farms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lottery results will be coming out any day now. If you’re not at a MCPS feeder school then it’s likely too late for the 25/26 school year as the lottery has already happened, they just have to send out results.

Adding that the way they do the lottery means that many many many kids who would be better served by the CES will not get a slot. I personally think they need to go back to using the CoGAT and recommendations for admission but that was seemed inequitable (and COVID made administering the CoGAT hard). Right now the fact that you could be at a 97th percentile and not even make it in the lottery (because “local norming”) while someone at the 80th percentile at another school could get a slot is just not serving gifted kids.

Oh calm down with your victimhood. We’re talking about a broader range for assessing giftedness in young kids rather than a narrow band of standardized tests scores to the exclusion of certain schools.

Furthermore, a lot of parents in good elementary schools would rather keep their kids nearby than send them to CCES so they’re not commuting long distances and because their home school ES teachers are empowered to do some differentiation.

And for the parents who choose to keep their kids at the home school, all the power to them. That doesn’t mean that the choice should be taken away from the people who would prefer CES.

No one is "taking away choices." They're opting for a broader range of selection criteria for a bunch of 8/9 year olds, recognizing that "gifted" assessment at that age can be a tricky thing, particularly in areas with a big diversity of economic backgrounds.

Then they should collect more data other than just one marking period. It should be pretty obvious who is “gifted” if they look at the data from K-3.

Another thing is kids in this county are recognized by playing sports well but not how well they are doing at school. Kids are not allowed to talk about their MAP score because it makes other kids feel bad…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

Also NP, but it's a good skill to learn to mix with people of differing ability levels. As an adult, are all your friends and coworkers drawn from people who do well on standardized tests? Mine aren't.

All? No. The vast majority? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

Also NP, but it's a good skill to learn to mix with people of differing ability levels. As an adult, are all your friends and coworkers drawn from people who do well on standardized tests? Mine aren't.

All? No. The vast majority? Yes.

Let’s also keep in mind that the general population isn’t necessarily under performing in standardized tests. Many of these kids have the same test scores as the CES students at but weren’t selected in the lottery.

[Anonymous]

CCES is an extremely high performing school and many of those kids may have performed higher on the standardized tests but had bad luck in the lottery. The separation is really disturbing. I know it's a scheduling issue but it really creates a bad hierarchy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP but it feels really insular only to mix with part of the school. Why wouldn't you want to get to know other people who attend your school?

I mean, how much are different grade levels mixing within schools? My kids may know a few kids a year younger or older, but generally they only interact with kids in their own grade. It’s not terribly different from that. That said, my child attended under the old principal and had lunch/recess every day with best friend who was not in the CES.

Then your child just have attended a long time ago. Under more recent history with the old principal, CES was completely insulated from gen ed.