Vanderbilt ED2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reviving this because we’re looking for more info on Vandy EDII. Keep seeing references to it being a waste etc?

What’s the downside to a strong candidate trying for this if rejected by their first choice REA/EDI at Ivy+ and Vanderbilt is genuinely their second choice?

Also, any stats or insight re kids who got in EDII? Where did they REA/EDI?

You've described every single kid whose ED1 to somewhere other than X (in your case, Vandy) was denied. Don't you think that almost every single kid who applies ED2 somewhere "genuinely" wants that place as their second choice? Your kid is like every single ED2 candidate and Vandy knows this was your kid's second choice. No harm in doing it, but saying "genuinely is our second choice" gives you no leg up.

Sorry - I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean that to suggest it might give them a leg up. I just meant that they’d be going for it not because they thought it would give them a leg up statistically-speaking compared a different reach school that didn’t offer EDII.

Basically, I’m trying to understand why people consider EDII a “waste” in such cases. I don’t see the downside if there’s no other school they’d want more. What am I missing?

[Anonymous]

DP. I don't think there is a downside. The only possible downside would be if they didn't defer kids and the EDII pool was more qualified than the RD pool. But it sounds like they do defer kids.

[Anonymous]

It’s not a waste if truly your second choice. But if kid would be just as happy at another place w ED2 then might make more sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reviving this because we’re looking for more info on Vandy EDII. Keep seeing references to it being a waste etc?

What’s the downside to a strong candidate trying for this if rejected by their first choice REA/EDI at Ivy+ and Vanderbilt is genuinely their second choice?

Also, any stats or insight re kids who got in EDII? Where did they REA/EDI?

When we visited Vanderbilt two years ago, during the info session someone asked about ED II and the admissions person said something very close to: "If you're applying EDII, you better be able to tell us you just landed from Mars or have some other reason why you wouldn't have known about us and applied ED I." It was very off-putting. Don't offer it if students don't have a real shot at being considered. The arrogance of the admissions team was a huge turnoff for our DC, and they took it off their list.

[Anonymous]

It’s for HYPSM rejects.

[Anonymous]

Ahhh.. The Early Decision game.

[Anonymous]

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/suit-alleges-early-decision-conspiracy-among-top-colleges-is-an-antitrust-violation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reviving this because we’re looking for more info on Vandy EDII. Keep seeing references to it being a waste etc?

What’s the downside to a strong candidate trying for this if rejected by their first choice REA/EDI at Ivy+ and Vanderbilt is genuinely their second choice?

Also, any stats or insight re kids who got in EDII? Where did they REA/EDI?

When we visited Vanderbilt two years ago, during the info session someone asked about ED II and the admissions person said something very close to: "If you're applying EDII, you better be able to tell us you just landed from Mars or have some other reason why you wouldn't have known about us and applied ED I." It was very off-putting. Don't offer it if students don't have a real shot at being considered. The arrogance of the admissions team was a huge turnoff for our DC, and they took it off their list.

As someone who actually likes the ED offerings, this still makes sense. If you have the finances to be able to ED anywhere and you elect to ED2 somewhere, that school will know that they are the second choice AND you didn't get into your first choice. They absolutely admit some kids under ED2 (and RD) but why is it arrogant for the admissions office to consider that ED2 students are considering Vandy as a runner up/back up/not first choice? After all, they ask what you'll contribute to the college campus community in an essay question...and they already know you weren't pro Vandy from the get go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reviving this because we’re looking for more info on Vandy EDII. Keep seeing references to it being a waste etc?

What’s the downside to a strong candidate trying for this if rejected by their first choice REA/EDI at Ivy+ and Vanderbilt is genuinely their second choice?

Also, any stats or insight re kids who got in EDII? Where did they REA/EDI?

When we visited Vanderbilt two years ago, during the info session someone asked about ED II and the admissions person said something very close to: "If you're applying EDII, you better be able to tell us you just landed from Mars or have some other reason why you wouldn't have known about us and applied ED I." It was very off-putting. Don't offer it if students don't have a real shot at being considered. The arrogance of the admissions team was a huge turnoff for our DC, and they took it off their list.

As someone who actually likes the ED offerings, this still makes sense. If you have the finances to be able to ED anywhere and you elect to ED2 somewhere, that school will know that they are the second choice AND you didn't get into your first choice. They absolutely admit some kids under ED2 (and RD) but why is it arrogant for the admissions office to consider that ED2 students are considering Vandy as a runner up/back up/not first choice? After all, they ask what you'll contribute to the college campus community in an essay question...and they already know you weren't pro Vandy from the get go.

It doesn’t make sense. Why have ED2 if you have this attitude? The whole reason to have ED2 is to lock in those Ivy rejects. And why would they look at RD in a better light? Hardly anyone who applies to Vandy RD had it as their first choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reviving this because we’re looking for more info on Vandy EDII. Keep seeing references to it being a waste etc?

What’s the downside to a strong candidate trying for this if rejected by their first choice REA/EDI at Ivy+ and Vanderbilt is genuinely their second choice?

Also, any stats or insight re kids who got in EDII? Where did they REA/EDI?

When we visited Vanderbilt two years ago, during the info session someone asked about ED II and the admissions person said something very close to: "If you're applying EDII, you better be able to tell us you just landed from Mars or have some other reason why you wouldn't have known about us and applied ED I." It was very off-putting. Don't offer it if students don't have a real shot at being considered. The arrogance of the admissions team was a huge turnoff for our DC, and they took it off their list.

Can you just say "I knew about you but didn't want to come here, but since I got rejected by my top choices here I am"? Maybe they would appreciate the honesty?

[Anonymous]

At our private lots of ED2 Vandy get deferred then admitted or WL in RD…apparently it helps them with yield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s for HYPSM rejects.

Pretty much. Vanderbilt wants students that really want to be there. ED II seems to be for a handful of extraordinary students that took a moonshot at MIT or Stanford and didn't get in. But other than that, I don't think ED II is for anyone else. Save it for RD. Vanderbilt understands not everyone can apply ED I. But I think every ED II app is read with arched eyebrows. There has to be something extraordinary about the ED II applicant. Vanderbilt ED II is not a back up plan for a Duke ED I reject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s for HYPSM rejects.

Pretty much. Vanderbilt wants students that really want to be there. ED II seems to be for a handful of extraordinary students that took a moonshot at MIT or Stanford and didn't get in. But other than that, I don't think ED II is for anyone else. Save it for RD. Vanderbilt understands not everyone can apply ED I. But I think every ED II app is read with arched eyebrows. There has to be something extraordinary about the ED II applicant. Vanderbilt ED II is not a back up plan for a Duke ED I reject.

As opposed to other schools that want students that don't want to be there. lol

[Anonymous]

My two cents on it as a parent whose DC REA'd to a HYPSM last fall and was deferred is EDII is probably the toughest call/ most exploitative aspect in the whole application process. The colleges start emailing them to convert to EDII, school counselors pressure them to pick an EDII etc. My student initially EDII to UChicago and then spent about a week regretting it until he contacted their Admissions and withdrew the commitment. He wasn't the only kid in his grade who did so, another EDII to Rice and withdrew it. Both my DC and the other kid were accepted RD to Ivies and were super happy. The kids who kept in their EDII's (UChicago and Vandy) definitely both have regrets. Same for a relative to EDII to Northeastern.

You need to really understand if the EDII decision is driven by disappointment and panic as opposed to truly because the student has as real #1 and a close #2 that happens to offer EDII. Personally, I think that is a pretty rare situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My two cents on it as a parent whose DC REA'd to a HYPSM last fall and was deferred is EDII is probably the toughest call/ most exploitative aspect in the whole application process. The colleges start emailing them to convert to EDII, school counselors pressure them to pick an EDII etc. My student initially EDII to UChicago and then spent about a week regretting it until he contacted their Admissions and withdrew the commitment. He wasn't the only kid in his grade who did so, another EDII to Rice and withdrew it. Both my DC and the other kid were accepted RD to Ivies and were super happy. The kids who kept in their EDII's (UChicago and Vandy) definitely both have regrets. Same for a relative to EDII to Northeastern.

You need to really understand if the EDII decision is driven by disappointment and panic as opposed to truly because the student has as real #1 and a close #2 that happens to offer EDII. Personally, I think that is a pretty rare situation.

My kid did the same a few years ago and pulled ED2. Also at Ivy.