Principal placed AAP question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

The OP's post reads like she thinks her kid will get the dum-dum cooties from the principal placed kids. Relax, OP, your kid will be ok if they have to mingle with a few principal placed kids who were not officially designated by the great central office committee as being AAP worthy.

People like the OP make me second guess whether AAP would be a good environment for my kid (we have not crossed that bridge yet).

[Anonymous]

I once saw a grown woman tear up about how a (preschool) teacher helped her child....get into AAP. When people take AAP so seriously, it's not surprising this OP his hellbent on keeping the AAP class pure and unadulterated by those principal placed kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

The OP's post reads like she thinks her kid will get the dum-dum cooties from the principal placed kids. Relax, OP, your kid will be ok if they have to mingle with a few principal placed kids who were not officially designated by the great central office committee as being AAP worthy.

People like the OP make me second guess whether AAP would be a good environment for my kid (we have not crossed that bridge yet).

Like everything else AAP environments will vary by school, grade cohort, and even teacher. My kids had somewhat different experiences in AAP at the same center based on the kids they were with and the teachers they had.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

The OP's post reads like she thinks her kid will get the dum-dum cooties from the principal placed kids. Relax, OP, your kid will be ok if they have to mingle with a few principal placed kids who were not officially designated by the great central office committee as being AAP worthy.

People like the OP make me second guess whether AAP would be a good environment for my kid (we have not crossed that bridge yet).

Like everything else AAP environments will vary by school, grade cohort, and even teacher. My kids had somewhat different experiences in AAP at the same center based on the kids they were with and the teachers they had.

I would imagine a center tends to be a bit more rigorous for various reasons that not related to precisely who is in the class and the proportion of principal placed kids. But that's just me speculating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

The OP's post reads like she thinks her kid will get the dum-dum cooties from the principal placed kids. Relax, OP, your kid will be ok if they have to mingle with a few principal placed kids who were not officially designated by the great central office committee as being AAP worthy.

People like the OP make me second guess whether AAP would be a good environment for my kid (we have not crossed that bridge yet).

Like everything else AAP environments will vary by school, grade cohort, and even teacher. My kids had somewhat different experiences in AAP at the same center based on the kids they were with and the teachers they had.

I would imagine a center tends to be a bit more rigorous for various reasons that not related to precisely who is in the class and the proportion of principal placed kids. But that's just me speculating.

PP here and no idea. I'm the one whose base is a center so we've only ever experienced center school life. But I will say anecdotally that kids from strong neighboring ESes still come to our center despite local level IV programs so obviously the reputation of our center at those schools exceeds the reputation of the local level IV program.

We're at a mid-SES center, so nothing too crazy in terms of outside enrichment and only mild Algebra 1 honors in 7th mania from parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In general, center schools do not principal place students into AAP classes. Some centers may do so but they aren't "supposed" to. At our center school, it does not happen.

I thought they gave every AAP kid an opportunity to attend a center if they wanted to. That would mean that they can't always have exactly enough kids to fill the class. What do they do with the extra spots?

They either have small classes or they do principal place. Our base is our center and parents I know told me their kids were principal placed into my DD's class in 4th. It didn't happen under the first 2 principals at the school, but started with the 3rd (yeah, lot of administrative turnover at that school).

It had zero, and I do mean zero, impact on the class's ability to continue progressing through the material at the usual pace. That is because there are many kids who are able to handle the pace of AAP whose parents don't refer or they aren't admitted.

There were kids who had been admitted by the central committee - and I know that because they came to the center from a different ES base - who were far less able to handle the work per things I saw during Covid online school.

It's a good measure of whether the principal cares about the gen ed or aap side of the school more. Allowing gen ed classes of 29 and AAP classes of 20 vs 24 and 26 shows where the priority is

I’m not really following your logic. At our center, they don’t principal place. DS had classes of 28/29 every year in AAP, while base had 20-23 kids per class. Class size was determined It by the number of kids in each program and classroom max, it had nothing to do with her allegiance to AAP or base.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

The OP's post reads like she thinks her kid will get the dum-dum cooties from the principal placed kids. Relax, OP, your kid will be ok if they have to mingle with a few principal placed kids who were not officially designated by the great central office committee as being AAP worthy.

People like the OP make me second guess whether AAP would be a good environment for my kid (we have not crossed that bridge yet).

OP might be surprised and have her kid rejected for Level 4 and then hope to be Principal placed in the AAP class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So does principal placed mean there are kids at the center school who did not get into AAP but they are in the AAP class?

What’s the point of this? Isn’t the point of AAP so that my child is in a class with all AAP children?

Is the principal placed only for a year? Are there classes that are only AAP and no principal placed kids? How does this work?

I’m hoping my daughter gets into AAP and we will consider moving her to the center school but have some hesitations especially if the entire class isn’t AAP which I thought is the whole point of going to a center school…

Lady, your child is no more advanced than any other smart child in their school. Stop telling yourself lies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In general, center schools do not principal place students into AAP classes. Some centers may do so but they aren't "supposed" to. At our center school, it does not happen.

I thought they gave every AAP kid an opportunity to attend a center if they wanted to. That would mean that they can't always have exactly enough kids to fill the class. What do they do with the extra spots?

At an AAP Center, this means that either all of the classes in one grade can range anywhere from 18 to 32 kids per class. Some Centers will have both - like a 3rd grade cohort that is 3 28-30 child classes and a 6th grade short that is 4 18 kid classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

So she skipped 7th grade math? That’s impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

That is highly dependent on the middle school

THAT was your takeaway from this PP's post? 🤦🏼‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

So she skipped 7th grade math? That’s impressive.

Advanced Math is offered out side of AAP. More likely then not the kid was in the Advanced Math group and did 7th grade math in 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In general, center schools do not principal place students into AAP classes. Some centers may do so but they aren't "supposed" to. At our center school, it does not happen.

I thought they gave every AAP kid an opportunity to attend a center if they wanted to. That would mean that they can't always have exactly enough kids to fill the class. What do they do with the extra spots?

They either have small classes or they do principal place. Our base is our center and parents I know told me their kids were principal placed into my DD's class in 4th. It didn't happen under the first 2 principals at the school, but started with the 3rd (yeah, lot of administrative turnover at that school).

It had zero, and I do mean zero, impact on the class's ability to continue progressing through the material at the usual pace. That is because there are many kids who are able to handle the pace of AAP whose parents don't refer or they aren't admitted.

There were kids who had been admitted by the central committee - and I know that because they came to the center from a different ES base - who were far less able to handle the work per things I saw during Covid online school.

It's a good measure of whether the principal cares about the gen ed or aap side of the school more. Allowing gen ed classes of 29 and AAP classes of 20 vs 24 and 26 shows where the priority is

I’m not really following your logic. At our center, they don’t principal place. DS had classes of 28/29 every year in AAP, while base had 20-23 kids per class. Class size was determined It by the number of kids in each program and classroom max, it had nothing to do with her allegiance to AAP or base.

Some do. I’ve heard people claim it isn’t allowed, but that was my experience

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current high school senior daughter was principal placed in aap level 4 in 5th grade. She was in aap level 3 every other year. That 5th grade year she got all 4s and an aap level 4 recommendation from her teacher, but wasn’t put in aap level 4 when we reapplied for 6th grade. So she went back to gen Ed.

She did all honors in middle school which is the same content as aap, but separated for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Then 13 AP classes and straight As in high school. She does continue to test poorly, which is why she didn’t test into aap originally, which is reflected in her SAT score not being great.

She was rejected from the ivy ED she applied to, but has been accepted to every other college she has heard back from so far.

So yeah, your kid might be exposed to a non-aap level 4 kid like my daughter.

That is highly dependent on the middle school

THAT was your takeaway from this PP's post? 🤦🏼‍♀️

Yes. PP is correct that if you go to a school with legitimate honors classes, then AAP really means nothing in the wash. In our pyramid, the only years that AAP matters is middle school because the honors classes are a joke thanks to a push to get every kid to take an honors class combined with lots of kids coming from some of the lowest ranked elementary schools in the county unprepared for gen ed let alone honors

[Anonymous]

I teach AAP and there are several Level 4 students I have that I question how they got in. So even at the center, there are kids who somehow got in with less than scores and struggle academically.