Gender Divide?

[Anonymous]

It also may be that more women are applying ED since they are in general more organized. So those pools may be heavily women and easier for boys to get in ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

There are more women applying to almost every top program.

I am a mother of daughters and my oldest is at a school that is 60% female. I think a gender balance is important for college if at all possible.

I’m the OP and I guess it’s just a surprise to me because it’s my first time with a senior. I think it’s also harder to see one student succeed over another objectively less qualified applicant when you know the kids personally. You really do learn something new everyday in this process.

You don't know who's "qualified" for admission or not. The college makes that call.

Are you in other kids' grade book or something?

[Anonymous]

I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

There are more women applying to almost every top program.

I am a mother of daughters and my oldest is at a school that is 60% female. I think a gender balance is important for college if at all possible.

I’m the OP and I guess it’s just a surprise to me because it’s my first time with a senior. I think it’s also harder to see one student succeed over another objectively less qualified applicant when you know the kids personally. You really do learn something new everyday in this process.

You don't know who's "qualified" for admission or not. The college makes that call.

Are you in other kids' grade book or something?

Haha was waiting for you to show up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is our high school the only one with a huge disparity in gender among acceptances so far this fall? More than 15 unhooked boys into Top 20s and only three girls. Just wondering if it’s a trend this year, every year, or just a coincidence that our girls aren’t doing as well (and yes, I have a daughter but she didn’t apply early so it’s not a personal gripe - just a female one!)

Do you know how many girls and how many boys applied early? If 20 boys applied and 4 girls, that's the same ratio. Do you know everyone's grades, test scores, essays, etc.? Are there other girls who were accepted that aren't bragging about it publicly? Lots of possibilities here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

There are more women applying to almost every top program.

I am a mother of daughters and my oldest is at a school that is 60% female. I think a gender balance is important for college if at all possible.

I’m the OP and I guess it’s just a surprise to me because it’s my first time with a senior. I think it’s also harder to see one student succeed over another objectively less qualified applicant when you know the kids personally. You really do learn something new everyday in this process.

You don't know who's "qualified" for admission or not. The college makes that call.

Are you in other kids' grade book or something?

Regardless of whether these particular applicant are or aren't, we know that less qualified boys get in over more qualified girls. The boys' qualification is being boys. Admissions officers have said so (this was 2006 and it's only gotten worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/to-all-the-girls-ive-rejected.html).

My spouse used to work in development at an Ivy and helped shepherd big donors' kids through the process. All the time, development-case boys who were unimpressive were admitted over girls (also children of donors) who were far more impressive. It was totally demoralizing to watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

There are more women applying to almost every top program.

I am a mother of daughters and my oldest is at a school that is 60% female. I think a gender balance is important for college if at all possible.

I’m the OP and I guess it’s just a surprise to me because it’s my first time with a senior. I think it’s also harder to see one student succeed over another objectively less qualified applicant when you know the kids personally. You really do learn something new everyday in this process.

If you have high school daughters the school climate has really changed since you were in high school. My boys go to a high school that is essentially 50/50 male/female. However, in their AP and Honors classes, they are a noticiable minority. However, the very top students in both grades are boys. By a noticeable margin it is the boys who are recognized for the highest GPAs, NMSF, academic awards. So don't assume that those boys are getting an unfair advantabe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

It's true that standards are, on average, lower for boys because of gender imbalance. But there IS a gender imbalance: That is, more girls than boys are attending, so overall there should be more girls admitted than boys. But maybe early admits are tilted towards boys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

What the hell is going on with brown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

This assumes that the average male and female applicant is approximately equal in qualifications. If female applicants are stronger on average (as evidence suggests they are), the shares by gender don't fully reflect the disparity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

This assumes that the average male and female applicant is approximately equal in qualifications. If female applicants are stronger on average (as evidence suggests they are), the shares by gender don't fully reflect the disparity.

The admitted classes are definitely not 50% female and 50% male for many of these schools. Most of the classes have a higher percentage of females. I don't know if that's true for MIT or for every school on this list, but in general college classes contain a higher percentage of females these days.

So in general, fewer males apply and fewer males are admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

What the hell is going on with brown?

It has always been very popular for women. I don't know why that has always been the case.

[Anonymous]

Before the ban on consideration of race is admissions, the hardest admit to competitive programs was Asian women, next was white women. Now it is probably just women.

The Wesleyan admit rate is quite skewed.

As a parent of academically competitive young women that thinks the social aspect of college is equally important to the academic aspect, I do not have a problem with this even though my children are disadvantaged because there is more to college than just academics.

Please do not sue, college is hard enough for young people.