Gender Divide?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I also found this to be the case but only for men. Gay men and straight women are a super majority at top universities and LACs.

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OMG GENDER DISCRIMINATION



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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

This assumes that the average male and female applicant is approximately equal in qualifications. If female applicants are stronger on average (as evidence suggests they are), the shares by gender don't fully reflect the disparity.

T20 is top 2% of college students. I'm not sure there are more girls in that 2%, especially in STEM. Maybe by GPA. But at our school it's mostly boys winning the EC math and hacking competitions. Same thing with the competitive robotics team. There are many girls on the team, including "leadership positions", but the "hotshot" programmers who write the winning code are mostly boys.

At our high school the most talented person on the robotics team is a female student (won Top 10 award at Worlds last year).

If one can make it, more will follow. The number of female Senators has gone from 2 to 20+ in the three decades I've been voting. Talking about how things are today with boy-dominated robotics teams like it's "normal" prevents things from improving.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

This assumes that the average male and female applicant is approximately equal in qualifications. If female applicants are stronger on average (as evidence suggests they are), the shares by gender don't fully reflect the disparity.

T20 is top 2% of college students. I'm not sure there are more girls in that 2%, especially in STEM. Maybe by GPA. But at our school it's mostly boys winning the EC math and hacking competitions. Same thing with the competitive robotics team. There are many girls on the team, including "leadership positions", but the "hotshot" programmers who write the winning code are mostly boys.

At our high school the most talented person on the robotics team is a female student (won Top 10 award at Worlds last year).

If one can make it, more will follow. The number of female Senators has gone from 2 to 20+ in the three decades I've been voting. Talking about how things are today with boy-dominated robotics teams like it's "normal" prevents things from improving.

Let's not go there. Not as though there are any efforts to improve boys' involvement in the humanities.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't see it with kids for the top schools because they are all 50/50. Even MIT is 50/50.

I see it more at the tiers of 20+...places like Tulane that are 63% female and even many of the flagships that tend to have far more females applying and attending.

They are 50/50 because they accept more male applicants, there are less of them.

Here are some samples from the most recent CDS:

Princeton: 20,100 F applying / 19,500 M applying
Brown: 31,650 F applying / 19,666 m applying
Cornell: 34,172 F / 33,674 M
Dartmouth: 15,325 F / 13,516 M
Harvard: 30,363 F / 26,301 M
MIT: 8,939 F / 16,568 M
Stanford: 26,600 F / 27,133 M
Penn: 32,137 F / 27,128 M

So, seems like a definite advantage for men at Brown and definite advantage at MIT for women. Slight advantage for men at Harvard and Penn

This assumes that the average male and female applicant is approximately equal in qualifications. If female applicants are stronger on average (as evidence suggests they are), the shares by gender don't fully reflect the disparity.

T20 is top 2% of college students. I'm not sure there are more girls in that 2%, especially in STEM. Maybe by GPA. But at our school it's mostly boys winning the EC math and hacking competitions. Same thing with the competitive robotics team. There are many girls on the team, including "leadership positions", but the "hotshot" programmers who write the winning code are mostly boys.

At our high school the most talented person on the robotics team is a female student (won Top 10 award at Worlds last year).

Men do the same thing:

Women choose the bear over men

Men: Not all men!

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it varies by high school.

Our high school admitted 20 women and 5 men to Michigan (in-state).

I was freaked out by this until I realized this was similar to the gender breakdowns of the summa cum laudes and NHS. So women are overperforming at our high school, and they just take the top of the class. Other schools might have a different split.

The same number of men and women apply to Michigan. Acceptance rate for men (20%) is slightly higher than for women (15%). The biggest difference is yield: 62% of accepted women enroll but only 36% of men.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this a surprise? Schools would like a gender balance, there are more qualified applicants than seats and top schools can afford to have a slightly easier acceptance rate for males and still get top students.

There are more women applying to almost every top program.

I am a mother of daughters and my oldest is at a school that is 60% female. I think a gender balance is important for college if at all possible.

Because if this were happening to any other demographic, we’d be kicking out feet about how unfair a practice it is?

Only if the assumption was that the other demographic was unqualified.

Nobody has proven that boys in the DCUM demographic are less qualified than the girls

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

Ah yes, the Post. Fox News for people who can read.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

Ah yes, the Post. Fox News for people who can read.

It's kind of an interesting article but lacking in a lot of ways. Why did they just survey the ivy league? What is the point of that? Is that different than some other athletic conferences? Why didn't they survey The NESCAC or the Patriot League or some other categories of schools?. I'm not sure I understand the point exactly of this article. If the ivy league is some kind of outlier then they need to show how they compare to other groups of colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

Ah yes, the Post. Fox News for people who can read.

It's kind of an interesting article but lacking in a lot of ways. Why did they just survey the ivy league? What is the point of that? Is that different than some other athletic conferences? Why didn't they survey The NESCAC or the Patriot League or some other categories of schools?. I'm not sure I understand the point exactly of this article. If the ivy league is some kind of outlier then they need to show how they compare to other groups of colleges.

It's remarkable and frankly shocking that it's possible there's that kind of overrepresentation on any college campus.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

Ah yes, the Post. Fox News for people who can read.

It's kind of an interesting article but lacking in a lot of ways. Why did they just survey the ivy league? What is the point of that? Is that different than some other athletic conferences? Why didn't they survey The NESCAC or the Patriot League or some other categories of schools?. I'm not sure I understand the point exactly of this article. If the ivy league is some kind of outlier then they need to show how they compare to other groups of colleges.

It's remarkable and frankly shocking that it's possible there's that kind of overrepresentation on any college campus.

You need to survey a lot more than eight colleges in order to determine if it over representation or if it's under representation or if it's average.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the number most fascinating to me is the large percentage of those accepted to the very top schools that are LGBTQ. I don't think it has anything to do with admissions per se, as many were not out in HS, but for both of my kids that attended different schools, we are talking large percentages of the top 5 percent of the class attending Ivy's or close - well over 50 percent are LGBTQ. I'm not sure what to say, except it's ...interesting.

I don’t think that matches overall stats at those schools nor the population in general, so this may be unique to your schools or location. I live in a very liberal area (not DMV) where you might expect kids would be disproportionately out, but our admissions trends at the elite area schools don’t reflect anything close to what you are describing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/ivy-league-lgbtq-numbers-soar-harvard-numbers-triple/

You aren't in Cambridge.

Even more true at t14 law schools. Look at law school class profiles at top schools and you'll see 20%-30% identifying as LGBT.

And this is post peak woke culture in 2020. It was probably 50% then. Gone down to 20%-40% at top schools.

Ah yes, the Post. Fox News for people who can read.

It's kind of an interesting article but lacking in a lot of ways. Why did they just survey the ivy league? What is the point of that? Is that different than some other athletic conferences? Why didn't they survey The NESCAC or the Patriot League or some other categories of schools?. I'm not sure I understand the point exactly of this article. If the ivy league is some kind of outlier then they need to show how they compare to other groups of colleges.

It's remarkable and frankly shocking that it's possible there's that kind of overrepresentation on any college campus.

You need to survey a lot more than eight colleges in order to determine if it over representation or if it's under representation or if it's average.

That math goes way beyond the NY Post/Fox News crowd.