Rules for thee but not for me: Yellen SS shoot at criminal to protect cars
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Anonymous
| Wish the agent had better aim. |
Anonymous
So you should not go yell at teens breaking into your car at 3 am? Just watch and wait? Like a tumor? The fact that the kid was 13 is why the jury convicted the homeowner. Not because of the facts. |
Anonymous
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This incident wasn't a carjacking, based on the news write-ups I saw, it was people trying to open unoccupied parked car doors to see if they were unlocked. So it was an attempted burglary or possibly attempted car theft.
Personally, I park one car in my driveway and one car on the street. It's possible someone might try to break into either of them while they're parked. And if anyone — law enforcement officer or otherwise — were to open fire at someone for trying to to break into my cars, I would be horrified. I'd hate to have my car stolen, but I absolutely don't want you shooting someone to prevent it from happening. I'll just deal with my insurance company after it's gone missing, thanks. |
Anonymous
Karon ran at him after he already was shooting. You shouldn’t be able to claim self defense if the other person is reacting to your violence against them. |
Anonymous
He shot at them. That’s entirely different from yelling at someone. |
Anonymous
The homeowner was not the only one shooting. He was rightly scared for his life. |
Anonymous
Lewis had not left the safety of his home, though. He was standing on the edge of his patio, which is his home. The patio evidence showed was a mere 10 feet from the door to the interior. No, I personally would’ve stayed in my interior. And it sounds like your suggesting that you think he should have. However, that’s not what happened and a jury decided that you can’t stand on your property and shoot someone who is running at you in a direct line at great speed and not stopping. Again, while you are literally on your property. |
Anonymous
| Good for them. At least someone is taking on crime in the city. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
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I think the Karon Blake case is just an awful situation right on the edge of the law. The deceased’s young age makes it so much worse. The whole thing is bad. Would I have gone that way on the jury? It’s hard for me to say. I trust their judgment and the system of appeals if they really didn’t follow the law.
But ultimately, you can’t have people trying to do vigilante justice with guns. They will definitely kill more people by accident than they save or help. I don’t think a homeowner going outside is the same as a law enforcement officer, on duty or not, but I’m sure this will get a full investigation. |
Anonymous
How close do they have yo be though? Is it okay to stand on your patio with your gun and shoot anyone running straight at you from a certain distance? I think the answer should clearly be “no.” So the specific circumstances matter a lot. Being in your home is not a blanket license to shoot people no matter which direction they are running. |
Anonymous
So, I can't tell from the video when he first fired. Some seem to say he first shot at the vehicle when it was driving away, others say he just shot at the teen when he was running towards him. If he shot at the vehicle, then I agree that was wrong. But, let's say he didn't shoot at the teen running towards him. If you agree it should be able to yell at someone he thinks may be breaking into cars, then he should be able to defend himself from someone he thinks is coming to attack him after yelling at them. Simply going outside to see what was happening, and/or yelling at them, shouldn't force him to lose the right to defend himself. If you instead argued he had an obligation you retreat before firing, then I might agree. Although I don't know what DC's self defense laws say about that. |
Anonymous
+100 MPD hasn't done anything about this sort of crime for years. |
Anonymous
This quote from the Justice press release is clear he shot before Karon started running towards him. Lewis is on video leaving his house, aiming and firing at two young people who were involved in breaking into cars. After Lewis fired at those two people, hitting the car that one was driving, Karon Blake then ran in Lewis’s direction and Lewis fired two shots into Karon’s left side, killing him. Lewis claimed that he acted in self-defense because the two people that he initially fired at threatened him. In finding Lewis guilty of the assaults with a dangerous weapon, the jury rejected his claim of self-defense. |
Anonymous
Didn’t vote for Trump but I hope come January 20 federal agents feel more empowered to take on the street thugs of DC. |