Should we include WISC in parent referral

[Anonymous]

Definitely not. That score says your kid doesn’t need AAP. Hope for a strong CogAT.

[Anonymous]

You can add to the packet even in January. Just need to submit the referral form before the deadline. Ask your AART.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Just my opinion from what I've seen:
115-120: Include only if your kid is two of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school
120-125: Include only if your kid is one of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school, or if your kid has a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI
125-130: Include only if there's a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI or if it's higher than the CogAT composite
above 130: Should be included, unless the CogAT is incredibly high and the WISC is only right around 130.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Just my opinion from what I've seen:
115-120: Include only if your kid is two of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school
120-125: Include only if your kid is one of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school, or if your kid has a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI
125-130: Include only if there's a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI or if it's higher than the CogAT composite
above 130: Should be included, unless the CogAT is incredibly high and the WISC is only right around 130.

From what you've seen.....where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Just my opinion from what I've seen:
115-120: Include only if your kid is two of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school
120-125: Include only if your kid is one of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school, or if your kid has a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI
125-130: Include only if there's a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI or if it's higher than the CogAT composite
above 130: Should be included, unless the CogAT is incredibly high and the WISC is only right around 130.

Nice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Just my opinion from what I've seen:
115-120: Include only if your kid is two of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school
120-125: Include only if your kid is one of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school, or if your kid has a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI
125-130: Include only if there's a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI or if it's higher than the CogAT composite
above 130: Should be included, unless the CogAT is incredibly high and the WISC is only right around 130.

From what you've seen.....where?

My Title I school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a WISC for DD - grade 2 done this fall with GMU

Scores:
FSIQ: 115
Verbal Comprehension Index: 113
Visual Spatial Index: 114
Fluid Reasoning Index: 115
Working Memory Index:130
Processing Speed: 98

NNAT: 138
COGAT: We do not know but AART pulled her into differentiated math based on COGAT quantitative score

Should I include or not include WISC? I already asked the AART and she refuses to provide advice on whether to include these.

What would u do for your DS/DD if you were me??

What’s with your AART refusing to advise???
Doesn’t seem like someone who is very invested in your child being placed into the program, and that would make me wonder why.
Do you have a strained relationship with your school’s AART? Is she irritated by your child or by you?
Our AART many years ago was happy to offer her advice (when asked) to any parent. She would be very honest about her take though. Like she would have said “those are great!—submit and see what happens!” Or “those scores might be borderline, so it’s hard to say. I’ll leave that up to you.” Or “i don’t think those scores are going to move the needle on appeal, so stick to additional work samples.”
I can’t see the AART just refusing to weigh in at all. Doesn’t seem helpful and I’d have to question why that’s her stance. Maybe she was told not to. Maybe she got burned by a prior parent when she told them to submit scores and the kid didn’t get in and parent was mad at her advice.

AARTs are not supposed to give advice, that is FCPS policy. Some AARTs ignore said policy but some schools are very clear that the AART and Teachers will not discuss LIV applications in anyway. That was our schools policy. Teachers would not discuss if their thoughts and the AART would not comment on anything application related.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Public school gifted programs in districts I have lived in have typically had a 130 cutoff.

Does she possibly have ADHD? The combo of very high NNAT and relatively low WISC would make me wonder.

That makes me think the kid was prepped for the nnat. May not be true, but that is what is looks like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a WISC for DD - grade 2 done this fall with GMU

Scores:
FSIQ: 115
Verbal Comprehension Index: 113
Visual Spatial Index: 114
Fluid Reasoning Index: 115
Working Memory Index:130
Processing Speed: 98

NNAT: 138
COGAT: We do not know but AART pulled her into differentiated math based on COGAT quantitative score

Should I include or not include WISC? I already asked the AART and she refuses to provide advice on whether to include these.

What would u do for your DS/DD if you were me??

What’s with your AART refusing to advise???
Doesn’t seem like someone who is very invested in your child being placed into the program, and that would make me wonder why.
Do you have a strained relationship with your school’s AART? Is she irritated by your child or by you?
Our AART many years ago was happy to offer her advice (when asked) to any parent. She would be very honest about her take though. Like she would have said “those are great!—submit and see what happens!” Or “those scores might be borderline, so it’s hard to say. I’ll leave that up to you.” Or “i don’t think those scores are going to move the needle on appeal, so stick to additional work samples.”
I can’t see the AART just refusing to weigh in at all. Doesn’t seem helpful and I’d have to question why that’s her stance. Maybe she was told not to. Maybe she got burned by a prior parent when she told them to submit scores and the kid didn’t get in and parent was mad at her advice.

AARTs are not supposed to give advice, that is FCPS policy. Some AARTs ignore said policy but some schools are very clear that the AART and Teachers will not discuss LIV applications in anyway. That was our schools policy. Teachers would not discuss if their thoughts and the AART would not comment on anything application related.

Do you have a link to that policy? Google is not helping me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Public school gifted programs in districts I have lived in have typically had a 130 cutoff.

Does she possibly have ADHD? The combo of very high NNAT and relatively low WISC would make me wonder.

That makes me think the kid was prepped for the nnat. May not be true, but that is what is looks like.

It’s s common combo IME (with an ADHD kid). Especially because the overall FSIQ is pulled down by the slow processing score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Public school gifted programs in districts I have lived in have typically had a 130 cutoff.

Does she possibly have ADHD? The combo of very high NNAT and relatively low WISC would make me wonder.

That makes me think the kid was prepped for the nnat. May not be true, but that is what is looks like.

It’s s common combo IME (with an ADHD kid). Especially because the overall FSIQ is pulled down by the slow processing score.

High working memory and average processing speed is not a red flag for ADHD.

[Anonymous]

No, that WISC score would suggest your child should NOT be in AAP. It would hurt your child, not help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a good WISC score? I have to imagine it varies a lot by school?

Just my opinion from what I've seen:
115-120: Include only if your kid is two of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school
120-125: Include only if your kid is one of: URM, FARMS, or at a Title I school, or if your kid has a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI
125-130: Include only if there's a 130+ subscore in either VCI or FRI or if it's higher than the CogAT composite
above 130: Should be included, unless the CogAT is incredibly high and the WISC is only right around 130.

From what you've seen.....where?

My Title I school.

Why do you know other people's children's scores?