John Lennon and Yoko Ono

[Anonymous]

Glad we're getting to a time when the generational idolizing of the Beatles has come down so we can hold conversations about them as real people.

[Anonymous]

I was always convinced Yoko was an intel honeypot.

[Anonymous]

There was always a ton of infidelity on both sides throughout their relationship. Yoko was in a relationship with Sam Havadtoy at the time of John's death, and they were together for quite a while.

[Anonymous]

They were both great artists but garbage humans.

[Anonymous]

I was always convinced it was McCartney and not Lennon who was the melodic powerhouse of The Beatles. I find Lennon's solo output to be underwhelming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge Beatles fan, but John was not a good guy. He was abusive to women and treated Julian like garbage.

This. He was an okay artist ( he and the Beatles are hugely overrated in my opinion). I still like some of the music, but John Lennon the man was trash a lot of what he did has been overlooked because of the time he lived, because of his tragic death, and his stans and stans of the Beatles.

He would be considered a pedophile today. A lot of rock stars slept with underage groupies, and no, that doesn't make it ok

Sadly, yes. A lot of the aging rock stars have skeletons in their closets.

[Anonymous]

The comments here are dumb.

Lots of rockstars (then and now) are garbage humans. Who had sex with underage groupies, did drugs, abused their partners etc. but you still listen to them.

In fact there are probably garbage humans reading this post right now. People are flawed. He was a Beatle for crissakes, no one here is anywhere near talented (and his solo albums were, while different from Paul who always had a more pop/commercial sound, just as good as Paul’s).

He was gunned down on the street by a literal crazy narcissist when he’d finally started calming down, had strengthened his relationship with both Paul and Julian after taking five years “off” to raise Sean and try to be a better dad than he was the first time around (and he knew it). It was an effing tragedy and Double Fantasy (the album that was his last) and Milk and Honey (released posthumously) have tracks that make me cry because of the waste.

And to the OP: yeah there have been rumors for years about their open relationship. Yoko paired him up with May specifically so she controlled who he was with vs someone random. She also claimed she’d never heard of The Beatles when they met (sure). Still she was an artist and a musician in her own right and lazy misogynists like to blame her for the complicated relationship between four men who changed music in SEVEN YEARS (yeah, only seven) and were tired of being around one another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was always convinced it was McCartney and not Lennon who was the melodic powerhouse of The Beatles. I find Lennon's solo output to be underwhelming.

Agreed. I always heard that it was Yoko who tried convince everyone that John was most responsible for the great songs. Recent documentary footage shows that it was Paul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The comments here are dumb.

Lots of rockstars (then and now) are garbage humans. Who had sex with underage groupies, did drugs, abused their partners etc. but you still listen to them.

In fact there are probably garbage humans reading this post right now. People are flawed. He was a Beatle for crissakes, no one here is anywhere near talented (and his solo albums were, while different from Paul who always had a more pop/commercial sound, just as good as Paul’s).

He was gunned down on the street by a literal crazy narcissist when he’d finally started calming down, had strengthened his relationship with both Paul and Julian after taking five years “off” to raise Sean and try to be a better dad than he was the first time around (and he knew it). It was an effing tragedy and Double Fantasy (the album that was his last) and Milk and Honey (released posthumously) have tracks that make me cry because of the waste.

And to the OP: yeah there have been rumors for years about their open relationship. Yoko paired him up with May specifically so she controlled who he was with vs someone random. She also claimed she’d never heard of The Beatles when they met (sure). Still she was an artist and a musician in her own right and lazy misogynists like to blame her for the complicated relationship between four men who changed music in SEVEN YEARS (yeah, only seven) and were tired of being around one another.

The Beatles had a significant influence on the music world, but we can let the John Lennon worship cool off now. If you personally keep crying over Double Fantasy, that's your experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge Beatles fan, but John was not a good guy. He was abusive to women and treated Julian like garbage.

This. He was an okay artist ( he and the Beatles are hugely overrated in my opinion). I still like some of the music, but John Lennon the man was trash a lot of what he did has been overlooked because of the time he lived, because of his tragic death, and his stans and stans of the Beatles.

He would be considered a pedophile today. A lot of rock stars slept with underage groupies, and no, that doesn't make it ok

You don't know what you're talking about. John slept around but not with underage groupies. In fact, one of his main affairs was with a woman eight years older than him, Alma Cogan. (Yoko was seven years older than him, BTW.) He had many faults, but he was no Jimmy Page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glad we're getting to a time when the generational idolizing of the Beatles has come down so we can hold conversations about them as real people.

Uh, that's been going on for 50 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge Beatles fan, but John was not a good guy. He was abusive to women and treated Julian like garbage.

This. He was an okay artist ( he and the Beatles are hugely overrated in my opinion). I still like some of the music, but John Lennon the man was trash a lot of what he did has been overlooked because of the time he lived, because of his tragic death, and his stans and stans of the Beatles.

You probably think Oasis is better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was always convinced it was McCartney and not Lennon who was the melodic powerhouse of The Beatles. I find Lennon's solo output to be underwhelming.

Agreed. I always heard that it was Yoko who tried convince everyone that John was most responsible for the great songs. Recent documentary footage shows that it was Paul.

That footage is only from the Let it Be album.

You can’t possibly argue Paul was the one responsible for the great songs when John wrote songs like Strawberry Fields Forever and A Day in the Life (he wrote the slow part and Paul wrote the fast part).

Everyone can have their preferences, but IMO it’s asinine to act like John or Paul were somehow not necessary to the success of that group. Both men have had great and mediocre solo output. Both men would say they needed the other to write those amazing songs.

[Anonymous]

I have a feeling a lot of the people saying they aren’t big Beatles fans have heard maybe 4-5 songs. Probably Come Together, Get Back, Hey Jude, I want to hold your hand, and let it be.

Unless you’ve sat and listened to the albums—especially after 1964–you really don’t have a leg to stand on.

Put on a pair of good headphones and listen to Rain or She Said She Said (both by John). Then tell me this band is mediocre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comments here are dumb.

Lots of rockstars (then and now) are garbage humans. Who had sex with underage groupies, did drugs, abused their partners etc. but you still listen to them.

In fact there are probably garbage humans reading this post right now. People are flawed. He was a Beatle for crissakes, no one here is anywhere near talented (and his solo albums were, while different from Paul who always had a more pop/commercial sound, just as good as Paul’s).

He was gunned down on the street by a literal crazy narcissist when he’d finally started calming down, had strengthened his relationship with both Paul and Julian after taking five years “off” to raise Sean and try to be a better dad than he was the first time around (and he knew it). It was an effing tragedy and Double Fantasy (the album that was his last) and Milk and Honey (released posthumously) have tracks that make me cry because of the waste.

And to the OP: yeah there have been rumors for years about their open relationship. Yoko paired him up with May specifically so she controlled who he was with vs someone random. She also claimed she’d never heard of The Beatles when they met (sure). Still she was an artist and a musician in her own right and lazy misogynists like to blame her for the complicated relationship between four men who changed music in SEVEN YEARS (yeah, only seven) and were tired of being around one another.

The Beatles had a significant influence on the music world, but we can let the John Lennon worship cool off now. If you personally keep crying over Double Fantasy, that's your experience.

+1 It's crazy how some posters rabidly defend celebrities.