What are the bigger clubs?

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Oh, totally. It’s too bad the broken down numbers aren’t readily accessible. All the extra large and large clubs have many locations, with the exception of Makos and AAC (and ASA, it seems). Even NCAP-West had a few locations, whereas NCAP-Burke, NCAP-CM, and NCAP-DS are self-contained.

AAC has 3 locations.

But they all end up at Long Bridge and it is the lower groups (and just a few of them) at the high schools. All their best groups/coaches are at Long Bridge. There was a stink by some parents that didn't want to drive out of their neighborhood for their age group swimmers. The joke is on them, in the sense that these kids are now kind of forgotten at the high schools.

That’s still 3 locations….

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Oh, totally. It’s too bad the broken down numbers aren’t readily accessible. All the extra large and large clubs have many locations, with the exception of Makos and AAC (and ASA, it seems). Even NCAP-West had a few locations, whereas NCAP-Burke, NCAP-CM, and NCAP-DS are self-contained.

AAC has 3 locations.

But they all end up at Long Bridge and it is the lower groups (and just a few of them) at the high schools. All their best groups/coaches are at Long Bridge. There was a stink by some parents that didn't want to drive out of their neighborhood for their age group swimmers. The joke is on them, in the sense that these kids are now kind of forgotten at the high schools.

Getting to Long Bridge is a giant pain, especially at rush hour. I'm fine with my kid practicing at a closer pool even if it means they're "forgotten." It saves me ~3 hours a week of driving in horrible traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Oh, totally. It’s too bad the broken down numbers aren’t readily accessible. All the extra large and large clubs have many locations, with the exception of Makos and AAC (and ASA, it seems). Even NCAP-West had a few locations, whereas NCAP-Burke, NCAP-CM, and NCAP-DS are self-contained.

AAC has 3 locations.

But they all end up at Long Bridge and it is the lower groups (and just a few of them) at the high schools. All their best groups/coaches are at Long Bridge. There was a stink by some parents that didn't want to drive out of their neighborhood for their age group swimmers. The joke is on them, in the sense that these kids are now kind of forgotten at the high schools.

Getting to Long Bridge is a giant pain, especially at rush hour. I'm fine with my kid practicing at a closer pool even if it means they're "forgotten." It saves me ~3 hours a week of driving in horrible traffic.

It is like 10 to 15 minutes to get to Long Bridge from almost every part of Arlington.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Almost afraid to ask, but which RMSC site do you think is their main location?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Almost afraid to ask, but which RMSC site do you think is their main location?

I think Rockville is the largest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

Almost afraid to ask, but which RMSC site do you think is their main location?

I think Rockville is the largest.

Rockville is quite different than the other 4 sites, hard to call it “main”. There is a different structure/policies/etc bc it comes from City of Rockville vs MoCo. The county sites are much more parallel to each other. Until the current renovation situation, KSAC was largely considered the hardest to get into.

Rockville is the original site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

I'm not aware that Machine has a business model where, for a fee, it lets the fee payer use its name, products, services, etc. Machine does acquire clubs. I am aware of NCAP doing that too. I think a few years ago, NCAP bought Clark swim club. How the business aspects of the acquisitions work, I don't know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

I'm not aware that Machine has a business model where, for a fee, it lets the fee payer use its name, products, services, etc. Machine does acquire clubs. I am aware of NCAP doing that too. I think a few years ago, NCAP bought Clark swim club. How the business aspects of the acquisitions work, I don't know.

oops. mean to say I'm not aware that NCAP uses a franchise model, either.




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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

I'm not aware that Machine has a business model where, for a fee, it lets the fee payer use its name, products, services, etc. Machine does acquire clubs. I am aware of NCAP doing that too. I think a few years ago, NCAP bought Clark swim club. How the business aspects of the acquisitions work, I don't know.

oops. mean to say I'm not aware that NCAP uses a franchise model, either.




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This link suggests that some of their locations are indeed franchised.

https://www.ncapswim.com/membership-info

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

Machine has a site supervisor (head coach) at each site but also has a core leadership team. The independent practice sites are not franchised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

I have no idea if NCAP is franchised, literally, though I've heard it described as such on this site. But it doesn't have that feel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Behemoth - NCAP (2400), RMSC (1800), Machine (1400)
Extra large - York (800), AAC (700), OCCS (670), Makos (650)
Large - FISH (360), ASA (320)

I don't believe you can treat any club with separate locations in the aggregate. NCAP has many locations in Maryland and Virginia. Also, some NCAP locations have age caps, while others don't. For example, NCAP HA only allows swimmers up to a certain age, then they have to move to NCAP AU (which is why many switch to NCAP GP). RMSC has its main location (very hard to get into), but then has RMSC KSAC (under renovation, now in SS - easier to get into), and a few others. By contrast, ASA has one location and is one club broken into different age and skill groups.

NP - I get it, but as a parent of Machine swimmers, they really make it feel like one big club. We get weekly emails with information across sites, the founders/owners of Machine send welcome emails to all sites, organized by training group, etc. It's not a team with substantial variation in how different sites operate in terms of coaching philosophy and training load.

Is it an accurate statement that NCAP is franchised and Machine isn't?

I have no idea if NCAP is franchised, literally, though I've heard it described as such on this site. But it doesn't have that feel.

Per the link above, they use the word “franchise” themselves when listing their different sites. I assume they use it literally.