DCC Wheaton/Blair Question

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Here's how I would think about the prioritization:

1) Blair magnet
2) Wheaton magnet
3) Regular Blair
4) Everything else

For that reason, I'd rank Blair in the DCC lottery and secure that spot and then take the Wheaton magnet if that's the best magnet option.

However, at regular Blair I'd recommend upending the recommended science sequence. "Honors" Biology and "Honors" Chemistry are on-level at best, so I'd recommend talking to parents of older kids and mapping out a pathway that makes sense and replicates the Wheaton program to the degree possible.



How do you "upend" ? Can you talk your way into AP without taking Honors first?


Yes. AP Physics doesn't have a pre-requisite, just a strong admonition to consider carefully before taking it as a freshman. AP Bio is supposed to, but I've seen it taken without.

This goes back to an issue that has been discussed to death on DCUM but remains an issue, which is that most schools show on-level courses in their online offerings, but those classes do not actually exist. So, "Honors" Biology should be getting kids ready for AP Bio and "Honors" Chemistry should be getting kids ready for AP Chemistry, but because MCPS got rid of on-level, those classes have slowed way down. It hurts on all sides, because high performing kids are bored and they end up not ready for the AP classes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


Magnets aside, if your home school is Blair, can you rank Wheaton first and Blair second, and if you don't get Wheaton you are guaranteed Blair? And if you get Wheaton, can you change your mind and go to Blair?


No. You are only guaranteed your home school if you rank it first.


But if you don't get your first choice, and you rank your home school as your second choice, it is guaranteed. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-info/downcounty/choice/detail/

"Students are guaranteed their base school only when ranked first on the initial Choice form, or if it is marked second and their first choice is not available."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


Magnets aside, if your home school is Blair, can you rank Wheaton first and Blair second, and if you don't get Wheaton you are guaranteed Blair? And if you get Wheaton, can you change your mind and go to Blair?


No. You are only guaranteed your home school if you rank it first.


But if you don't get your first choice, and you rank your home school as your second choice, it is guaranteed. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-info/downcounty/choice/detail/

"Students are guaranteed their base school only when ranked first on the initial Choice form, or if it is marked second and their first choice is not available."


So based on this, for this particular person, it seems like you apply for the magnets, put Wheaton first, put Blair second, and then make a decision later. I assume if you put Wheaton first and get in, you can change your mind and go to Blair, the home school.
Anonymous
Wheaton has an engineering academy that seems to take engineering seriously. I didn't get that at the Blair open house.

The best you could do is put some courses together that could help prepare one for engineering study in college (with the help of an advisor), and do a capstone project.

That's not necessarily bad, it just doesn't include four years of a preset engineering pathway that Wheaton has, and you would not have that cohort of engineering magnet students to work with in robotics club, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


Magnets aside, if your home school is Blair, can you rank Wheaton first and Blair second, and if you don't get Wheaton you are guaranteed Blair? And if you get Wheaton, can you change your mind and go to Blair?


No. You are only guaranteed your home school if you rank it first.


But if you don't get your first choice, and you rank your home school as your second choice, it is guaranteed. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-info/downcounty/choice/detail/

"Students are guaranteed their base school only when ranked first on the initial Choice form, or if it is marked second and their first choice is not available."


So based on this, for this particular person, it seems like you apply for the magnets, put Wheaton first, put Blair second, and then make a decision later. I assume if you put Wheaton first and get in, you can change your mind and go to Blair, the home school.


Actually, no. If you rank Wheaton and get Wheaton, you can't change back to your home school until sophomore year and even then it takes a COSA.

So, if PP is willing to take Wheaton PLTW over regular Blair (which it sounds like might be a good choice), I would rank Wheaton first, then Blair. Then take SMCS over Wheaton magnet just for commute reasons, and then Wheaton magnet or Wheaton PLTW over regular Blair.

The one caveat to this is that Wheaton is FAR for a TkPk kid and after-school activities almost always run beyond the activity bus in my experience. So consider whether your child is comfortable taking the public bus on days when a parent can't drive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


I'd rank Blair first for school choice, but apply to both SMCS and Wheaton. Your school choice shouldn't impact special program selection.
Anonymous
Also, Blair has a strong Robotics team too so really can't go wrong either way. Robotics involves a lot of afterschool time too so with the shorter commute your kid would have more time for that.
Anonymous
OP here. This is a lot of great info. to mull over. We went to both open houses as well. We'll be applying to the magnets. I personally feel that if he were lucky enough to get selected for Wheaton Biomedical or Engineering, it would be worth the transportation hassle. We still have to weigh whether he feels it's worth it for the Wheaton academies.

I hadn't thought about the fact that having a shorter day at Wheaton (when compared to SMCS) would also mean fewer classes, less possible exploration of interests, etc. In the end, the transportation piece might determine our DCC preference list as the rest of our family works or attends school super far from Wheaton.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's how I would think about the prioritization:

1) Blair magnet
2) Wheaton magnet
3) Regular Blair
4) Everything else

For that reason, I'd rank Blair in the DCC lottery and secure that spot and then take the Wheaton magnet if that's the best magnet option.

However, at regular Blair I'd recommend upending the recommended science sequence. "Honors" Biology and "Honors" Chemistry are on-level at best, so I'd recommend talking to parents of older kids and mapping out a pathway that makes sense and replicates the Wheaton program to the degree possible.



How do you "upend" ? Can you talk your way into AP without taking Honors first?


Yes. AP Physics doesn't have a pre-requisite, just a strong admonition to consider carefully before taking it as a freshman. AP Bio is supposed to, but I've seen it taken without.

This goes back to an issue that has been discussed to death on DCUM but remains an issue, which is that most schools show on-level courses in their online offerings, but those classes do not actually exist. So, "Honors" Biology should be getting kids ready for AP Bio and "Honors" Chemistry should be getting kids ready for AP Chemistry, but because MCPS got rid of on-level, those classes have slowed way down. It hurts on all sides, because high performing kids are bored and they end up not ready for the AP classes.

No, they do exist but they need enough students to sign up for the classes.
The problem is that the vast majority of MoCo/DCUM parents think that their kids are too smart and too good for on-level courses. Who wants their kids to be known as been on-level? The stigma!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's how I would think about the prioritization:

1) Blair magnet
2) Wheaton magnet
3) Regular Blair
4) Everything else

For that reason, I'd rank Blair in the DCC lottery and secure that spot and then take the Wheaton magnet if that's the best magnet option.

However, at regular Blair I'd recommend upending the recommended science sequence. "Honors" Biology and "Honors" Chemistry are on-level at best, so I'd recommend talking to parents of older kids and mapping out a pathway that makes sense and replicates the Wheaton program to the degree possible.



How do you "upend" ? Can you talk your way into AP without taking Honors first?


Yes. AP Physics doesn't have a pre-requisite, just a strong admonition to consider carefully before taking it as a freshman. AP Bio is supposed to, but I've seen it taken without.

This goes back to an issue that has been discussed to death on DCUM but remains an issue, which is that most schools show on-level courses in their online offerings, but those classes do not actually exist. So, "Honors" Biology should be getting kids ready for AP Bio and "Honors" Chemistry should be getting kids ready for AP Chemistry, but because MCPS got rid of on-level, those classes have slowed way down. It hurts on all sides, because high performing kids are bored and they end up not ready for the AP classes.

No, they do exist but they need enough students to sign up for the classes.
The problem is that the vast majority of MoCo/DCUM parents think that their kids are too smart and too good for on-level courses. Who wants their kids to be known as been on-level? The stigma!


No, at our school the on-level science classes do not exist anymore. They removed them from the course listings.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


Magnets aside, if your home school is Blair, can you rank Wheaton first and Blair second, and if you don't get Wheaton you are guaranteed Blair? And if you get Wheaton, can you change your mind and go to Blair?


No. You are only guaranteed your home school if you rank it first.


But if you don't get your first choice, and you rank your home school as your second choice, it is guaranteed. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-info/downcounty/choice/detail/

"Students are guaranteed their base school only when ranked first on the initial Choice form, or if it is marked second and their first choice is not available."


So based on this, for this particular person, it seems like you apply for the magnets, put Wheaton first, put Blair second, and then make a decision later. I assume if you put Wheaton first and get in, you can change your mind and go to Blair, the home school.


No, you don't understand the processes.

These are two separate processes.

You apply to magnets. You see where you get in. Then you can decide which magnet to go to.

In a separate process, you rank which DCCs you want. This has nothing to do with the magnets. And your assumption that you can change to your home school if you put it as your second choice and don't like the noncom school you ranked first is incorrect.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is a lot of great info. to mull over. We went to both open houses as well. We'll be applying to the magnets. I personally feel that if he were lucky enough to get selected for Wheaton Biomedical or Engineering, it would be worth the transportation hassle. We still have to weigh whether he feels it's worth it for the Wheaton academies.

I hadn't thought about the fact that having a shorter day at Wheaton (when compared to SMCS) would also mean fewer classes, less possible exploration of interests, etc. In the end, the transportation piece might determine our DCC preference list as the rest of our family works or attends school super far from Wheaton.


Another piece of info: my kid goes to Wheaton academy but it's not our home school. He is guaranteed bus transfers in the morning and at 3pm, but there is no late/activity bus that comes anywhere near our house. So that makes it harder for extra currics. There is a public bus stop about a mile from our house that has a public bus that goes near Wheaton, so I dont know if that's why they dont have to send a late bus near us or not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS is an engineering/bio kid. We live in Takoma Park, home school is Blair. He's applying to Wheaton Magnets (both Engineering and Biomedical) and Blair SMACS. Wondering how to rank DCC. If he ranks Blair 1st, he'll get it. We're guessing if he ranked Wheaton first, he would also probably get it, as Blair is crowded.

If a kid is super into engineering, robotics, etc., is it worth it to trek from Takoma Park to Wheaton for the Engineering Academy? We like the idea of attending Blair and doing STEM Academy there because he would go to school with kids in the neighborhood. But, we're wondering how similar the Engineering opportunities are in the Academies at each school?


Magnets aside, if your home school is Blair, can you rank Wheaton first and Blair second, and if you don't get Wheaton you are guaranteed Blair? And if you get Wheaton, can you change your mind and go to Blair?


No. You are only guaranteed your home school if you rank it first.


But if you don't get your first choice, and you rank your home school as your second choice, it is guaranteed. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-info/downcounty/choice/detail/

"Students are guaranteed their base school only when ranked first on the initial Choice form, or if it is marked second and their first choice is not available."


So based on this, for this particular person, it seems like you apply for the magnets, put Wheaton first, put Blair second, and then make a decision later. I assume if you put Wheaton first and get in, you can change your mind and go to Blair, the home school.


Actually, no. If you rank Wheaton and get Wheaton, you can't change back to your home school until sophomore year and even then it takes a COSA.

So, if PP is willing to take Wheaton PLTW over regular Blair (which it sounds like might be a good choice), I would rank Wheaton first, then Blair. Then take SMCS over Wheaton magnet just for commute reasons, and then Wheaton magnet or Wheaton PLTW over regular Blair.

The one caveat to this is that Wheaton is FAR for a TkPk kid and after-school activities almost always run beyond the activity bus in my experience. So consider whether your child is comfortable taking the public bus on days when a parent can't drive.


My kid is zoned for Einstein but goes to Wheaton and Wheaton does not provide an activity bus anywhere near our house
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is a lot of great info. to mull over. We went to both open houses as well. We'll be applying to the magnets. I personally feel that if he were lucky enough to get selected for Wheaton Biomedical or Engineering, it would be worth the transportation hassle. We still have to weigh whether he feels it's worth it for the Wheaton academies.

I hadn't thought about the fact that having a shorter day at Wheaton (when compared to SMCS) would also mean fewer classes, less possible exploration of interests, etc. In the end, the transportation piece might determine our DCC preference list as the rest of our family works or attends school super far from Wheaton.


Just remember even if MCPS provides a bus to and from school the commute may be very long and its not going to be available for a lot of the sports and after school activities so you can still be driving back and forth a lot. You don't need to do the academies to have access to a lot of the classes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is a lot of great info. to mull over. We went to both open houses as well. We'll be applying to the magnets. I personally feel that if he were lucky enough to get selected for Wheaton Biomedical or Engineering, it would be worth the transportation hassle. We still have to weigh whether he feels it's worth it for the Wheaton academies.

I hadn't thought about the fact that having a shorter day at Wheaton (when compared to SMCS) would also mean fewer classes, less possible exploration of interests, etc. In the end, the transportation piece might determine our DCC preference list as the rest of our family works or attends school super far from Wheaton.


Just remember even if MCPS provides a bus to and from school the commute may be very long and its not going to be available for a lot of the sports and after school activities so you can still be driving back and forth a lot. You don't need to do the academies to have access to a lot of the classes.


I agree with you about the bus schedule but as a Wheaton academy parents, I don't understand what you mean when you say "you don't need to do the academies to have access to a lot of the classes." What classes are you referring to? My Wheaton engineering academy kid is taking not only multivariable calculus and both AP Physics classes, etc, but also took one to two engineering classes every year. Is that possible at Blair, especially if you aren't in a magnet?
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