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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

Wrong, a mandatory evacuation means either evacuate or don’t expect emergency help. They won’t drag you out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

Gosh! A “government order!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

Wrong, a mandatory evacuation means either evacuate or don’t expect emergency help. They won’t drag you out.

This. There stance is "oh our community won't flood so we will be fine". Well yeah but a lot of the communities surrounding them will and they will be cut off from getting resources. They haven't even given a reason they are staying other than "oh I don't think it will really be that bad". I'm baffled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

Wrong, a mandatory evacuation means either evacuate or don’t expect emergency help. They won’t drag you out.

This. There stance is "oh our community won't flood so we will be fine". Well yeah but a lot of the communities surrounding them will and they will be cut off from getting resources. They haven't even given a reason they are staying other than "oh I don't think it will really be that bad". I'm baffled.

The projections are showing a sustain high tide and surge. This will back up rivers and cause flooding inland. Plus the power will be out and a lot of time no drinking water because of flooding at the water treatment plants. It is not fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

The government doesn't go door to door and force people onto busses to evacuate.

The order to evacuate means, don't call us when you start drowning in your living room, because we will be sheltering in safety and not venturing out to do emergency response until the worst of the hurricane winds have passed - it's too dangerous for rescue units to drive in the midst of a Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane.

The government order also means that they won't get much sympathy in the aftermath, especially if they had the means to leave and chose not to. They'll still be eligible for local and FEMA aid, but they won't be getting much sympathy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

I wouldn’t do anything Ron DeSantis said. Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

The government doesn't go door to door and force people onto busses to evacuate.

The order to evacuate means, don't call us when you start drowning in your living room, because we will be sheltering in safety and not venturing out to do emergency response until the worst of the hurricane winds have passed - it's too dangerous for rescue units to drive in the midst of a Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane.

The government order also means that they won't get much sympathy in the aftermath, especially if they had the means to leave and chose not to. They'll still be eligible for local and FEMA aid, but they won't be getting much sympathy.

That’s SUCH a scumbag republican thing to say.

Gawd I hate you people sooooooo much it makes my head hurt.

I'm not a Republican and I don't share those thoughts exactly. And I understand that there are A LOT of barriers to evacuating. However, as someone who has to work no matter the weather and has driven in some pretty bad scenarios, it does bother me that people choose to put themselves in danger and then expect others to put themselves in danger to rescue them. Do I think they deserve to be rescued? Absolutely. Does it bother me that they are pulling those first responders away from other things because of their own stupid choices? Absolutely. But, I know evacuating isn't as easy as just getting in your car and going so I try to give people the benefit of a doubt and that they aren't doing it to just be stubborn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

The government doesn't go door to door and force people onto busses to evacuate.

The order to evacuate means, don't call us when you start drowning in your living room, because we will be sheltering in safety and not venturing out to do emergency response until the worst of the hurricane winds have passed - it's too dangerous for rescue units to drive in the midst of a Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane.

The government order also means that they won't get much sympathy in the aftermath, especially if they had the means to leave and chose not to. They'll still be eligible for local and FEMA aid, but they won't be getting much sympathy.

That’s SUCH a scumbag republican thing to say.

Gawd I hate you people sooooooo much it makes my head hurt.

PP could have said it better but that's exactly what not evacuating means. We're not coming to get you in the middle of the storm. That's the risk you take by staying. I have no problem with that and I have no problem with people not evacuating as long as they know what risks they're assuming.

[Anonymous]

Are they inside the mandatory evacuation zone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

The government doesn't go door to door and force people onto busses to evacuate.

The order to evacuate means, don't call us when you start drowning in your living room, because we will be sheltering in safety and not venturing out to do emergency response until the worst of the hurricane winds have passed - it's too dangerous for rescue units to drive in the midst of a Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane.

The government order also means that they won't get much sympathy in the aftermath, especially if they had the means to leave and chose not to. They'll still be eligible for local and FEMA aid, but they won't be getting much sympathy.

That’s SUCH a scumbag republican thing to say.

Gawd I hate you people sooooooo much it makes my head hurt.

I'm not a republican nor have I ever voted for one in 25 years. But I agree with the message.

Why on earth should someone risk their life, safety, and healthy because someone was too stubborn to evacuate? Those are the choices you make. When it's safe, they'll try. But why should anyone be entitled to help when they refused to help themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have family also refusing to evacuate even though they are in an evacuation zone. And we have family 2 hrs from them who have offered up their house so it's not even like they have nowhere to go. In this case, both of them are stubborn. They will likely be ok flood wise because of where they are unless the lagoons get real bad (which they have before). My concern is that they will be completely cut off if the rest of the area gets hit bad.

They can’t just refuse. It’s a government order to evacuate.

The government doesn't go door to door and force people onto busses to evacuate.

The order to evacuate means, don't call us when you start drowning in your living room, because we will be sheltering in safety and not venturing out to do emergency response until the worst of the hurricane winds have passed - it's too dangerous for rescue units to drive in the midst of a Cat 3 or 4 or 5 hurricane.

The government order also means that they won't get much sympathy in the aftermath, especially if they had the means to leave and chose not to. They'll still be eligible for local and FEMA aid, but they won't be getting much sympathy.

I’ve been in a hurricane evacuation where the eye unexpectedly landed literally over us. The authorities did actually go door to door beforehand and demanded you leave immediately. They said if you don’t leave, here’s a sharpie to write your name and SS# on your arm so we can ID you. I remember I had been spooning fish chowder I’d made into a container to cool and pack, but they literally yelled “just forget it and go!”
I knew some back roads to get out, but later heard people died in flooded highway trying to flee.
This is such a large area though, it would be hard to go door to door

[Anonymous]

The "republican" who isn't was accurate. At some point calling 911 puts you on a list. First responders are prohibited from going out to risk their lives to try to get to you.
It happened in Helene in Pinellas on the barrier beaches and Gulfport and that was surge and little wind. This is 2x the surge and 100 mph wind making deadly projectiles out of the rubbish left on the street as people tried to salvage their homes.

In Helene people drowned in their homes.

Now with Milton, in Zone A on the barrier islands there they have shut off water to protect the systems, are closing the bridges. Those that stay are on their own.

In Gulfport, fire dept went door to door in the mandatory zones. Not everyone left. I think they will regret that to the end of their lives. Which could be soon.

You don't have to drive hundreds of miles. Just to higher land and a shelter building. People who set off on hundred mile drives must not want to be in a room with "those" people for a day or two. Better stuck in traffic with no gas, huh?

[Anonymous]

Here's Helene and how they died.

https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2024/10/05/time-ran-out-pinellas-residents-who-didnt-evacuate-helene/

Good news: the dog survived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they inside the mandatory evacuation zone?

Here is how the government website words it (ie, they don’t call it mandatory):

“An evacuation order is in place for Levels A, B, and C, RVs, manufactured communities or a mobile or boat home.

Sarasota County issues evacuation notices for the entire county including the City of Venice and other municipalities (City of North Port, City of Sarasota, Town of Longboat Key).

An evacuation order is issued to get people away from the deadliest parts of a hurricane’s storm surge. Local officials cannot force you to evacuate, but know that when winds reach a sustained 45 mph, emergency services will not be dispatched to homes due to safety concerns from flying debris.”

[Anonymous]

Great news (from OP). She just texted me that they have evacuated!!! 👍

I am very relieved…