School Board is Failing – Central High with 80% Poverty is Blowing McLean and Langley Out of the Water

[Anonymous]

Between them, Langley and McLean had 35 National Merit Semifinalists this fall. Central had 0.

We're good, thanks. Enjoy drawing inferences from Sculldigger.

[Anonymous]

Wise County has less than 1700 high school students. Per student spending is $11,400.

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

This is not the only money going into these schools and likely the cost of teacher salaries and building maintenance is much higher in Fairfax County. Its really important to look at all the spending against cost of living.

OP doesn't want an honest debate. Wise county teachers make 47 to 64k a year. Try hiring in Fairfax for that salary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

Why are their pass advanced numbers so low? Why aren't their students taking advanced courses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Between them, Langley and McLean had 35 National Merit Semifinalists this fall. Central had 0.

We're good, thanks. Enjoy drawing inferences from Sculldigger.

Yep was just coming here to say how FCPS had 191 National Merit Semifinalists across 19 different high schools where the entire Wise County had 0 across all of their schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I was asking you to provide your units, your context. This is what my DS keeps getting dinged for in math class right now, too. Sure, I could look up each school on the VA website, but I have other things to do with my time and other posters are providing more specific test score information for the various schools and districts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I posted school quality.gov. Do you have any explanation for their lack of pass advanced? Even looked down on FCPS schools do better

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I posted school quality.gov. Do you have any explanation for their lack of pass advanced? Even looked down on FCPS schools do better

Your focus on "pass advanced" misses the bigger issue: if the average SOL scores aren't even on par, why should advanced scores matter? Are you saying FCPS is so advanced that it can't even outperform on basic metrics like the average SOL? Or is it that a few high performers in certain FCPS schools are propping up the rest, while a large number of students are falling behind?

If FCPS is truly better, those high averages should show across the board, not just in advanced categories. The fact that some schools perform well in specific areas while others struggle means there's a major imbalance. This isn't about a few standout students—it's about the overall performance, and right now, the data shows that it's lacking, no matter how advanced a small group might be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I was asking you to provide your units, your context. This is what my DS keeps getting dinged for in math class right now, too. Sure, I could look up each school on the VA website, but I have other things to do with my time and other posters are providing more specific test score information for the various schools and districts.

+1

If you make a claim, you back it up.

And please learn about COL before talking about funding again.

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I was asking you to provide your units, your context. This is what my DS keeps getting dinged for in math class right now, too. Sure, I could look up each school on the VA website, but I have other things to do with my time and other posters are providing more specific test score information for the various schools and districts.

Here’s a response that addresses the snark without escalating the tone:

Got it! I’m pulling data directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles average SOL test scores (Standards of Learning) for each school. The comparison I’m making looks at these averages, poverty rates, and spending per pupil to show how FCPS schools like McLean and Langley are falling behind despite higher resources.

I get that looking up the info takes time, so I’m sharing it here to save people the hassle. If there’s something specific you want more context on, I’m happy to dig deeper. Let’s keep the discussion focused on what the data is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I posted school quality.gov. Do you have any explanation for their lack of pass advanced? Even looked down on FCPS schools do better

Your focus on "pass advanced" misses the bigger issue: if the average SOL scores aren't even on par, why should advanced scores matter? Are you saying FCPS is so advanced that it can't even outperform on basic metrics like the average SOL? Or is it that a few high performers in certain FCPS schools are propping up the rest, while a large number of students are falling behind?

If FCPS is truly better, those high averages should show across the board, not just in advanced categories. The fact that some schools perform well in specific areas while others struggle means there's a major imbalance. This isn't about a few standout students—it's about the overall performance, and right now, the data shows that it's lacking, no matter how advanced a small group might be.

FCPS meets students where they are. Either this school has no advanced students or they have them and do not care about them. I don't think anyone with a kid in FCPS would agree to removing the AP/IB curriculum and advanced math courses in exchange for everyone achieving mediocrity

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Anonymous wrote:It says that Central High went from 39% free and reduced lunch to 81% free and reduced lunch within a year. Why is that?

The Wise school district does seem to be getting some things right but it's still a little strange why there is such a difference from one year to another. Also, this spending does not include the state spending. Can you show it along with the federal and state spending and then rate it comparatively to the cost of living of these two areas? Also when do the kids take these tests? Its really annoying to have comparisons of Algebra II but kids who take it in 8th grade compared to sophomore year as if it's the same type of student and school.

even at 39%, it's still higher than all the FCPS compared schools. FCPS is doing something wrong.

What scores are you comparing? Post something better, if you want a discussion.

Here are some statistics based on the data about test scores, spending, and poverty rates for each school:

Central High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0140
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0136
Spending: $5,947 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 80.7%
Average Test Score: 83.27

McLean High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0090
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0014
Spending: $8,768 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 12.2%
Average Test Score: 78.63

Langley High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0093
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0004
Spending: $8,882 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 3.9%
Average Test Score: 82.25

Falls Church High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0024
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0051
Spending: $11,958 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 61.4%
Average Test Score: 28.94

Justice High:
Test Score to Spending Ratio: 0.0030
Poverty to Spending Ratio: 0.0060
Spending: $11,096 per pupil
Poverty Rate: 66.8%
Average Test Score: 33.12

Key Insights:
Negative correlation (-0.88) between test scores and spending per pupil indicates that higher spending doesn't necessarily result in higher scores in these schools.
Moderate negative correlation (-0.47) between poverty rate and test scores shows that higher poverty is associated with lower test scores, but not as strongly as spending.

This shows that despite higher spending in schools like Falls Church and Justice High, there is no significant improvement in test scores. In fact, schools with lower spending, like Central High, are outperforming them, which suggests a failure in how FCPS allocates and utilizes its resources.

Average test score is a meaingless number. Your "Key Insights" are meaningless - bad data in, bad data out.

Saying average test scores are meaningless just isn’t true. They’re a valid way to see how well a school is teaching its students, especially in key subjects. Sure, no single number tells the whole story, but test scores are a big part of how schools, districts, and even states measure success.

Dismissing these numbers ignores how education is evaluated at every level. Plus, if schools are spending more but still scoring low, that’s a red flag about how resources are being used. It’s not "bad data"—it’s real info showing where things aren’t working.

What average test scores? SOLs? Which SOLs? That's why I said it's meaningless. You are not providing any useful information.

Interesting point, but the data I’m referring to comes directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles SOL (Standards of Learning) scores across various subjects—English, Math, Science, etc. These are the same metrics used by the state to evaluate school performance.

It seems like you’re pretty defensive about the data. Do you have a vested interest in this topic? I’m just sharing numbers that are publicly available to make a point about how FCPS is using its resources. If there’s something you think I’m missing, feel free to share your insights or data so we can have a clearer discussion.

I was asking you to provide your units, your context. This is what my DS keeps getting dinged for in math class right now, too. Sure, I could look up each school on the VA website, but I have other things to do with my time and other posters are providing more specific test score information for the various schools and districts.

Here’s a response that addresses the snark without escalating the tone:

Got it! I’m pulling data directly from SchoolDigger, which compiles average SOL test scores (Standards of Learning) for each school. The comparison I’m making looks at these averages, poverty rates, and spending per pupil to show how FCPS schools like McLean and Langley are falling behind despite higher resources.

I get that looking up the info takes time, so I’m sharing it here to save people the hassle. If there’s something specific you want more context on, I’m happy to dig deeper. Let’s keep the discussion focused on what the data is showing.

Did you adjust the data for cost of living? FCPS has to pay teachers 50% more to live in NOVA