School Board is Failing – Central High with 80% Poverty is Blowing McLean and Langley Out of the Water

[Anonymous]

Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it pretty likely that the kids in poverty in Wise, VA are native English speakers? And those in poverty in our area are not.

Here you go, demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Hispanic numbers so low they can't be counted.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/wise-primary

Numbers are so low, they can't be counted... which last I checked puts them somewhere near 3%. Oh well. Who'd have thunk it.

Why does it matter if most kids in Wise County are native English speakers? The issue isn't just language. Fairfax County has double the per-student funding but still struggles in many schools compared to places like Wise, which makes do with less. If language barriers are a challenge here, that just points to a failure in how FCPS is addressing those needs. The real question is: What is FCPS doing with all that extra funding to help English learners succeed? That’s what matters.

Is English your native language? Just curious because that might help your inability to grasp they big picture key concepts. Like they spend just as much money per pupil as the underperforming HSs in FCPS, for all of their HSs, but without the need to teach to young adults, who may live in homes where the parents are illiterate, which means they themselves are most likely illiterate, how to read, and write in not only English but often times their native languages as well. 40% of the student body at Justice is labeled English Learner, and 15% are Special Education. 40% are English Learners in HS, which means that they are more than likely recent arrivals, not to mention those that entered the system in ES school who do to demographics may be proficient enough to pass a standardized test, but just barely.

Comparing a homogenous school district comprised of majority white students, where everyone speaks English, to one where approximately 40% are English learners is apples to oranges.

I took 4 years of HS French, but if you had given me an SOL in any subject written in French and not English, on the first day of instruction year 1 and repeated the same on the last day of the last year of instruction year 4, I would have had the same dismal results... fail. Don't underestimate the benefit of being having your native language be English, and having literate parents.

You can teach any dummy to read in their native language well enough to pass a SOL test. And if their parents are native English speakers and not illiterate themselves this isn't a high bar at all.

It's funny to see how this plays out in NYC majority Asian schools. High levels of free and reduced lunch along with English language learners and yet top scores.

This would I dictate that something other than dollars spent or English speaking parents are providing advantages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it pretty likely that the kids in poverty in Wise, VA are native English speakers? And those in poverty in our area are not.

Here you go, demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Hispanic numbers so low they can't be counted.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/wise-primary

Numbers are so low, they can't be counted... which last I checked puts them somewhere near 3%. Oh well. Who'd have thunk it.

Why does it matter if most kids in Wise County are native English speakers? The issue isn't just language. Fairfax County has double the per-student funding but still struggles in many schools compared to places like Wise, which makes do with less. If language barriers are a challenge here, that just points to a failure in how FCPS is addressing those needs. The real question is: What is FCPS doing with all that extra funding to help English learners succeed? That’s what matters.

Is English your native language? Just curious because that might help your inability to grasp they big picture key concepts. Like they spend just as much money per pupil as the underperforming HSs in FCPS, for all of their HSs, but without the need to teach to young adults, who may live in homes where the parents are illiterate, which means they themselves are most likely illiterate, how to read, and write in not only English but often times their native languages as well. 40% of the student body at Justice is labeled English Learner, and 15% are Special Education. 40% are English Learners in HS, which means that they are more than likely recent arrivals, not to mention those that entered the system in ES school who do to demographics may be proficient enough to pass a standardized test, but just barely.

Comparing a homogenous school district comprised of majority white students, where everyone speaks English, to one where approximately 40% are English learners is apples to oranges.

I took 4 years of HS French, but if you had given me an SOL in any subject written in French and not English, on the first day of instruction year 1 and repeated the same on the last day of the last year of instruction year 4, I would have had the same dismal results... fail. Don't underestimate the benefit of being having your native language be English, and having literate parents.

You can teach any dummy to read in their native language well enough to pass a SOL test. And if their parents are native English speakers and not illiterate themselves this isn't a high bar at all.

It's funny to see how this plays out in NYC majority Asian schools. High levels of free and reduced lunch along with English language learners and yet top scores.

This would I dictate that something other than dollars spent or English speaking parents are providing advantages.

Now you are comparing Wise county schools and FCPSs lowest performing schools to NYs Elite public schools.

Quick answer apples and oranges as had been repeated ad nauseam.

Also repeated ad nauseam there aren’t any ELL students in NYs Elite Public schools. Regardless of whether or not they come from homes where English is the primary language or not they picked it up.

Now compare the Asian students at the local poorly performing schools as well as the other non Asian students and you’ll see that these schools fare no better than FCPS lower performing schools.

Also NY spends 30,000 per pupil… that’s a ton of money a metric ton of money which blows FCPS and Wise out of the water.

Now go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it pretty likely that the kids in poverty in Wise, VA are native English speakers? And those in poverty in our area are not.

Here you go, demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Hispanic numbers so low they can't be counted.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/wise-primary

Numbers are so low, they can't be counted... which last I checked puts them somewhere near 3%. Oh well. Who'd have thunk it.

Why does it matter if most kids in Wise County are native English speakers? The issue isn't just language. Fairfax County has double the per-student funding but still struggles in many schools compared to places like Wise, which makes do with less. If language barriers are a challenge here, that just points to a failure in how FCPS is addressing those needs. The real question is: What is FCPS doing with all that extra funding to help English learners succeed? That’s what matters.

Is English your native language? Just curious because that might help your inability to grasp they big picture key concepts. Like they spend just as much money per pupil as the underperforming HSs in FCPS, for all of their HSs, but without the need to teach to young adults, who may live in homes where the parents are illiterate, which means they themselves are most likely illiterate, how to read, and write in not only English but often times their native languages as well. 40% of the student body at Justice is labeled English Learner, and 15% are Special Education. 40% are English Learners in HS, which means that they are more than likely recent arrivals, not to mention those that entered the system in ES school who do to demographics may be proficient enough to pass a standardized test, but just barely.

Comparing a homogenous school district comprised of majority white students, where everyone speaks English, to one where approximately 40% are English learners is apples to oranges.

I took 4 years of HS French, but if you had given me an SOL in any subject written in French and not English, on the first day of instruction year 1 and repeated the same on the last day of the last year of instruction year 4, I would have had the same dismal results... fail. Don't underestimate the benefit of being having your native language be English, and having literate parents.

You can teach any dummy to read in their native language well enough to pass a SOL test. And if their parents are native English speakers and not illiterate themselves this isn't a high bar at all.

It's funny to see how this plays out in NYC majority Asian schools. High levels of free and reduced lunch along with English language learners and yet top scores.

This would I dictate that something other than dollars spent or English speaking parents are providing advantages.

Poor Asian immigrants come with a different cultural appreciation for education than poor Hispanic immigrants. There are few cultures that put as much time, energy, and money into education as Asian cultures. There are shopping malls that cater only to tutoring in Singapore. China passed legislation to shit down cram schools to try and reduce the money parents felt they had to spend on their children's education. South Korea shuts down airplane flights over schools on the day of national exams. The list of examples is long. They are coming to the US with an idea that education will help their kids get good jobs and provide more for their grandkids.

Poor Hispanic immigrants are coming from countries where there is limited to no education for kids.They are fleeing crime and corrupt governments. Education has not been a priority. They are looking for safety and a chance to make enough money to send home to family left behind.

The overall attitude towards education is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

This information is obviously incorrect, and no one actually familiar with the county would make this assertion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it pretty likely that the kids in poverty in Wise, VA are native English speakers? And those in poverty in our area are not.

Here you go, demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Hispanic numbers so low they can't be counted.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/wise-primary

Numbers are so low, they can't be counted... which last I checked puts them somewhere near 3%. Oh well. Who'd have thunk it.

Why does it matter if most kids in Wise County are native English speakers? The issue isn't just language. Fairfax County has double the per-student funding but still struggles in many schools compared to places like Wise, which makes do with less. If language barriers are a challenge here, that just points to a failure in how FCPS is addressing those needs. The real question is: What is FCPS doing with all that extra funding to help English learners succeed? That’s what matters.

Is English your native language? Just curious because that might help your inability to grasp they big picture key concepts. Like they spend just as much money per pupil as the underperforming HSs in FCPS, for all of their HSs, but without the need to teach to young adults, who may live in homes where the parents are illiterate, which means they themselves are most likely illiterate, how to read, and write in not only English but often times their native languages as well. 40% of the student body at Justice is labeled English Learner, and 15% are Special Education. 40% are English Learners in HS, which means that they are more than likely recent arrivals, not to mention those that entered the system in ES school who do to demographics may be proficient enough to pass a standardized test, but just barely.

Comparing a homogenous school district comprised of majority white students, where everyone speaks English, to one where approximately 40% are English learners is apples to oranges.

I took 4 years of HS French, but if you had given me an SOL in any subject written in French and not English, on the first day of instruction year 1 and repeated the same on the last day of the last year of instruction year 4, I would have had the same dismal results... fail. Don't underestimate the benefit of being having your native language be English, and having literate parents.

You can teach any dummy to read in their native language well enough to pass a SOL test. And if their parents are native English speakers and not illiterate themselves this isn't a high bar at all.

It's funny to see how this plays out in NYC majority Asian schools. High levels of free and reduced lunch along with English language learners and yet top scores.

This would I dictate that something other than dollars spent or English speaking parents are providing advantages.

Now you are comparing Wise county schools and FCPSs lowest performing schools to NYs Elite public schools.

Quick answer apples and oranges as had been repeated ad nauseam.

Also repeated ad nauseam there aren’t any ELL students in NYs Elite Public schools. Regardless of whether or not they come from homes where English is the primary language or not they picked it up.

Now compare the Asian students at the local poorly performing schools as well as the other non Asian students and you’ll see that these schools fare no better than FCPS lower performing schools.

Also NY spends 30,000 per pupil… that’s a ton of money a metric ton of money which blows FCPS and Wise out of the water.

Now go away.

No, I'm not comparing the elite NYC schools. Grab a random chinatown school with FARMS in the 80% and they all have high scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it pretty likely that the kids in poverty in Wise, VA are native English speakers? And those in poverty in our area are not.

Here you go, demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Demographics of student body in Wise County Va., Hispanic numbers so low they can't be counted.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/wise-primary

Numbers are so low, they can't be counted... which last I checked puts them somewhere near 3%. Oh well. Who'd have thunk it.

Why does it matter if most kids in Wise County are native English speakers? The issue isn't just language. Fairfax County has double the per-student funding but still struggles in many schools compared to places like Wise, which makes do with less. If language barriers are a challenge here, that just points to a failure in how FCPS is addressing those needs. The real question is: What is FCPS doing with all that extra funding to help English learners succeed? That’s what matters.

Is English your native language? Just curious because that might help your inability to grasp they big picture key concepts. Like they spend just as much money per pupil as the underperforming HSs in FCPS, for all of their HSs, but without the need to teach to young adults, who may live in homes where the parents are illiterate, which means they themselves are most likely illiterate, how to read, and write in not only English but often times their native languages as well. 40% of the student body at Justice is labeled English Learner, and 15% are Special Education. 40% are English Learners in HS, which means that they are more than likely recent arrivals, not to mention those that entered the system in ES school who do to demographics may be proficient enough to pass a standardized test, but just barely.

Comparing a homogenous school district comprised of majority white students, where everyone speaks English, to one where approximately 40% are English learners is apples to oranges.

I took 4 years of HS French, but if you had given me an SOL in any subject written in French and not English, on the first day of instruction year 1 and repeated the same on the last day of the last year of instruction year 4, I would have had the same dismal results... fail. Don't underestimate the benefit of being having your native language be English, and having literate parents.

You can teach any dummy to read in their native language well enough to pass a SOL test. And if their parents are native English speakers and not illiterate themselves this isn't a high bar at all.

It's funny to see how this plays out in NYC majority Asian schools. High levels of free and reduced lunch along with English language learners and yet top scores.

This would I dictate that something other than dollars spent or English speaking parents are providing advantages.

Poor Asian immigrants come with a different cultural appreciation for education than poor Hispanic immigrants. There are few cultures that put as much time, energy, and money into education as Asian cultures. There are shopping malls that cater only to tutoring in Singapore. China passed legislation to shit down cram schools to try and reduce the money parents felt they had to spend on their children's education. South Korea shuts down airplane flights over schools on the day of national exams. The list of examples is long. They are coming to the US with an idea that education will help their kids get good jobs and provide more for their grandkids.

Poor Hispanic immigrants are coming from countries where there is limited to no education for kids.They are fleeing crime and corrupt governments. Education has not been a priority. They are looking for safety and a chance to make enough money to send home to family left behind.

The overall attitude towards education is different.

that is true.

The point is that poverty itself isn't the problem prohibiting educational excellence, nor are the dollars spent. If people prioritize education at home, then their kids will succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

This information is obviously incorrect, and no one actually familiar with the county would make this assertion.

Feel free to check my numbers. I may have mistyped something:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/justice-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/lewis-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/mount-vernon-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

This information is obviously incorrect, and no one actually familiar with the county would make this assertion.

Feel free to check my numbers. I may have mistyped something:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/justice-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/lewis-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/mount-vernon-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high

No, it’s simply that you don’t understand the data or how to interpret it.

[Anonymous]

So OP, are you going to helicopter the teachers in from outlying counties to teach every morning? FCPS pays more for salaries because it is a higher COL area than Wise county. That is a huge chunk of per pupil spending.

The helicopters will cost money too BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

This information is obviously incorrect, and no one actually familiar with the county would make this assertion.

Feel free to check my numbers. I may have mistyped something:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/justice-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/lewis-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/mount-vernon-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high

No, it’s simply that you don’t understand the data or how to interpret it.

Ok. Please interpret this data for us:

38.5% of kids in FCPS come from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice 96.3%
Lewis 73.1%
Mt Vernon 64.4%
Herndon 57%

Seems pretty straightforward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the majority of Falls Church and Justice High School students live in poverty? That seems shocking in a county as wealthy as Fairfax.

FCPS has a host of schools where 40%-60% of the kids receive free and reduced meals, which means the kids live below the poverty line. Title 1 schools are all schools where the majority of kids receive free or reduced meals. Justice, Mt. Vernon, Lewis, Herndon (ES, MS, and HS) are but a few examples of the schools with a high poverty rate. I know that many high schools have a food bank to help feed the kids at their high school, South Lakes Food Pantry is hosting its 0.5K this Sunday at Lake Anne to raise money for the pantry. They serve over 500 kids on a weekly basis.

FCPS kept busses running during the pandemic in order to bring food to local schools that families could pick up.

How are people unaware of this?

People living in bubbles.

Overall, FCPS has 38.5% of kids from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice is 96.3%
Lewis is 73.1%
Mt Vernon is 64.4%
Herndon is 57%

This information is obviously incorrect, and no one actually familiar with the county would make this assertion.

Feel free to check my numbers. I may have mistyped something:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/fairfax-county-public-schools

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/justice-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/lewis-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/mount-vernon-high
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high

No, it’s simply that you don’t understand the data or how to interpret it.

Ok. Please interpret this data for us:

38.5% of kids in FCPS come from economically disadvantaged families.

Justice 96.3%
Lewis 73.1%
Mt Vernon 64.4%
Herndon 57%

Seems pretty straightforward.

Not at all, dummy.

Check the FCPS school profiles for accurate information.