Looks like the md AG is going after every Moco gun store

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well they didn't go after the ones (two, I think, TK Defense in Gaithersburg and Optimal Zero in Rockville) that didn't repeatedly sell to a gun trafficker.

how do they know it’s a trafficker and why did the Feds approve the background check?

The only way to stop this is to stop selling to minorities.

And then Anthony Brown will sue the store for discrimination.

Seriously, it’s an impossible situation the FFL finds themselves in:

They have a repeat purchaser, who they probably suspect is a straw purchaser - but they have no proof of it. He has no criminal record, so he passes the federal and state background checks with no problem, and he signs a legal document each purchase that states he’s not engaging in a straw purchase.


What is the store supposed to do in that case? Seriously - what?

If they call the FBI, the FBI will tell them “he has no criminal record, he passed every NICS check we run”. If they call the Maryland State Police, they’ll say “he passed our state background and mental health checks, and has no criminal record”.


What is the shop supposed to do at that point? Decide not to tell to him because he’s black?

How would THAT go over here in DCUM-world? Seriously - what would all you folks with your yard signs think of that? You’d be calling the store racist and demanding it be shut down.

Sorta like you’re demanding it be shut down now.

It’s interesting with y’all. No matter what the problem is, the answer is always the same for you - shut the store down. How convenient, huh?

NP here:
I completely agree that its potentially a catch-22 for the FFL seller. The ATF is not allowed to analyze purchase history prior to gaining probably cause. Dealers are not allowed to see a buyers' history with other dealers. Maybe we should change the law to allow ATF and dealers to spot patterns?

That said, the defendant in the case - Demetrious Minor - purchased 25 handguns in 5 months from Engage Armaments in Rockvillle. He purchased 5 handguns over the span of a few weeks from United Gun Shop in Rockville. And then 4 handguns in 1 month from Atlantic Guns in Rockville.

This is clear straw buying behavior. Dealers are required by law to report suspicious activity, even if he has a clean background check. This guy kept buying the same handguns multiple times from individual shops in a short period of time. He wasn't a collector, buying a variety of weaponry which would give the dealer some degree of plausible deniability. He kept buying 9mm handguns over and over again.

Nothing about race in this instance. If someone is truly a collector, they are buying a variety of firearms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

Buying from gun stores that don't violate the law by selling to straw purchasers?

Everyone gets to have a hobby, of course, but people who collect stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees don't have to worry about other people using stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees to kill people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well they didn't go after the ones (two, I think, TK Defense in Gaithersburg and Optimal Zero in Rockville) that didn't repeatedly sell to a gun trafficker.

how do they know it’s a trafficker and why did the Feds approve the background check?

The only way to stop this is to stop selling to minorities.

And then Anthony Brown will sue the store for discrimination.

Seriously, it’s an impossible situation the FFL finds themselves in:

They have a repeat purchaser, who they probably suspect is a straw purchaser - but they have no proof of it. He has no criminal record, so he passes the federal and state background checks with no problem, and he signs a legal document each purchase that states he’s not engaging in a straw purchase.


What is the store supposed to do in that case? Seriously - what?

If they call the FBI, the FBI will tell them “he has no criminal record, he passed every NICS check we run”. If they call the Maryland State Police, they’ll say “he passed our state background and mental health checks, and has no criminal record”.


What is the shop supposed to do at that point? Decide not to tell to him because he’s black?

How would THAT go over here in DCUM-world? Seriously - what would all you folks with your yard signs think of that? You’d be calling the store racist and demanding it be shut down.

Sorta like you’re demanding it be shut down now.

It’s interesting with y’all. No matter what the problem is, the answer is always the same for you - shut the store down. How convenient, huh?

NP here:
I completely agree that its potentially a catch-22 for the FFL seller. The ATF is not allowed to analyze purchase history prior to gaining probably cause. Dealers are not allowed to see a buyers' history with other dealers. Maybe we should change the law to allow ATF and dealers to spot patterns?

That said, the defendant in the case - Demetrious Minor - purchased 25 handguns in 5 months from Engage Armaments in Rockvillle. He purchased 5 handguns over the span of a few weeks from United Gun Shop in Rockville. And then 4 handguns in 1 month from Atlantic Guns in Rockville.

This is clear straw buying behavior. Dealers are required by law to report suspicious activity, even if he has a clean background check. This guy kept buying the same handguns multiple times from individual shops in a short period of time. He wasn't a collector, buying a variety of weaponry which would give the dealer some degree of plausible deniability. He kept buying 9mm handguns over and over again.

Nothing about race in this instance. If someone is truly a collector, they are buying a variety of firearms.

Its almost like determining what is a straw purchase might best be done by a federal law enforcement agency, with access to records from all stores and across state lines who can compare current behavior to past behavior by criminals rather than by tasking small businesses with that job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

Buying from gun stores that don't violate the law by selling to straw purchasers?

Everyone gets to have a hobby, of course, but people who collect stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees don't have to worry about other people using stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees to kill people.

If you have politicians who seem to be making it a personal crusade to find reasons to shut down gun shops *who are following the law* (as these shops absolutely are), then there won’t be any left to purchase a gun at.

That’s acting in bad faith.

These shops were NOT in violation of the law - let’s be 100% clear on that. That’s why this is a civil suit and not a criminal charge. The AG knows it doesn’t have a leg to stand on with regards to the shops not complying with federal and state laws. So this is a civil suit, where the burden of proof is far lower and more subjective.

The straw purchaser is the one who broke all applicable laws here. Not the shops. The shops complied with every applicable federal and state law. Background checks, record keeping, waiting periods, all of it. They are not the criminal here. The straw purchaser is.



I realize you clearly have an intense dislike for guns, the people that own them, and the places that sell them. And that is clouding your logic and reasoning ability here.


But I’m sure you’re just the sort of juror Tony is looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well they didn't go after the ones (two, I think, TK Defense in Gaithersburg and Optimal Zero in Rockville) that didn't repeatedly sell to a gun trafficker.

how do they know it’s a trafficker and why did the Feds approve the background check?

The only way to stop this is to stop selling to minorities.

And then Anthony Brown will sue the store for discrimination.

Seriously, it’s an impossible situation the FFL finds themselves in:

They have a repeat purchaser, who they probably suspect is a straw purchaser - but they have no proof of it. He has no criminal record, so he passes the federal and state background checks with no problem, and he signs a legal document each purchase that states he’s not engaging in a straw purchase.


What is the store supposed to do in that case? Seriously - what?

If they call the FBI, the FBI will tell them “he has no criminal record, he passed every NICS check we run”. If they call the Maryland State Police, they’ll say “he passed our state background and mental health checks, and has no criminal record”.


What is the shop supposed to do at that point? Decide not to tell to him because he’s black?

How would THAT go over here in DCUM-world? Seriously - what would all you folks with your yard signs think of that? You’d be calling the store racist and demanding it be shut down.

Sorta like you’re demanding it be shut down now.

It’s interesting with y’all. No matter what the problem is, the answer is always the same for you - shut the store down. How convenient, huh?

NP here:
I completely agree that its potentially a catch-22 for the FFL seller. The ATF is not allowed to analyze purchase history prior to gaining probably cause. Dealers are not allowed to see a buyers' history with other dealers. Maybe we should change the law to allow ATF and dealers to spot patterns?

That said, the defendant in the case - Demetrious Minor - purchased 25 handguns in 5 months from Engage Armaments in Rockvillle. He purchased 5 handguns over the span of a few weeks from United Gun Shop in Rockville. And then 4 handguns in 1 month from Atlantic Guns in Rockville.

This is clear straw buying behavior. Dealers are required by law to report suspicious activity, even if he has a clean background check. This guy kept buying the same handguns multiple times from individual shops in a short period of time. He wasn't a collector, buying a variety of weaponry which would give the dealer some degree of plausible deniability. He kept buying 9mm handguns over and over again.

Nothing about race in this instance. If someone is truly a collector, they are buying a variety of firearms.

Its almost like determining what is a straw purchase might best be done by a federal law enforcement agency, with access to records from all stores and across state lines who can compare current behavior to past behavior by criminals rather than by tasking small businesses with that job.

What you're describing is actually ILLEGAL for the federal government to do. ATF is banned by law from analyzing the NICS records database prior to law enforcement identifying an individual for probable cause of a crime. So they can't spot patterns of straw buying until long after the guns have hit the streets and people are dead.

Like I said, it's a Catch-22.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

The AG sued 3 gun dealers in Rockville for obvious straw buying.

According to this website for FFLs, there's over 2000 federal dealers in Maryland: https://www.ffl123.com/ffl-dealers-per-state-by-population/

Stop shouting, chicken little. You still have 2000+ dealers to choose from in MD. No lack of options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

Buying from gun stores that don't violate the law by selling to straw purchasers?

Everyone gets to have a hobby, of course, but people who collect stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees don't have to worry about other people using stamps/beanie babies/pointless Masters degrees to kill people.

If you have politicians who seem to be making it a personal crusade to find reasons to shut down gun shops *who are following the law* (as these shops absolutely are), then there won’t be any left to purchase a gun at.

That’s acting in bad faith.

These shops were NOT in violation of the law - let’s be 100% clear on that. That’s why this is a civil suit and not a criminal charge. The AG knows it doesn’t have a leg to stand on with regards to the shops not complying with federal and state laws. So this is a civil suit, where the burden of proof is far lower and more subjective.

The straw purchaser is the one who broke all applicable laws here. Not the shops. The shops complied with every applicable federal and state law. Background checks, record keeping, waiting periods, all of it. They are not the criminal here. The straw purchaser is.

I realize you clearly have an intense dislike for guns, the people that own them, and the places that sell them. And that is clouding your logic and reasoning ability here.

But I’m sure you’re just the sort of juror Tony is looking for.

I mean, apparently they're not, though. Or, if they are, the courts can decide that.

All I said about guns is that some people use guns to kill people, which is a factual statement. (There's a special report on the news right now about a shooting at a high school in Georgia.) I don't know how you got from "some people use guns to kill people" to "intense dislike for guns, the people that own them, and the places that sell them." Lots of people collect lots of things. What you collect is guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

The AG sued 3 gun dealers in Rockville for obvious straw buying.

According to this website for FFLs, there's over 2000 federal dealers in Maryland: https://www.ffl123.com/ffl-dealers-per-state-by-population/

Stop shouting, chicken little. You still have 2000+ dealers to choose from in MD. No lack of options.

There are ~2,000 FFL holders in Maryland - that’s ALL types of FFL’s, of which there are many. Only a tiny fraction of that number are retail gun sales locations, however.


There are FFL’s required for:

Gun sales (like stores, obviously)

but also:

Gun repair/refinishing
Manufacturing
Collection of Curio and Relic guns
Explosive manufacturing
Destructive Device manufacturing
Ammunition manufacturing
Fireworks manufacturing
Fireworks sales
Fireworks distribution


So there might be over 2,000 FFL’s in Maryland, yes. But probably less than 200 are retail sales locations that sell guns to the public. The rest are industrial FFL’s held by businesses that work in areas requiring a FFL.

Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, for example, holds at least 6 different FFL’s at its facility in Bethesda. But NOT because they sell guns.




You should educate yourself about stuff like this, then you wouldn’t look so laughably uninformed and foolish when you blather things like “you still have 2,000 dealers to choose from chicken little”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

The AG sued 3 gun dealers in Rockville for obvious straw buying.

According to this website for FFLs, there's over 2000 federal dealers in Maryland: https://www.ffl123.com/ffl-dealers-per-state-by-population/

Stop shouting, chicken little. You still have 2000+ dealers to choose from in MD. No lack of options.

There are ~2,000 FFL holders in Maryland - that’s ALL types of FFL’s, of which there are many. Only a tiny fraction of that number are retail gun sales locations, however.


There are FFL’s required for:

Gun sales (like stores, obviously)

but also:

Gun repair/refinishing
Manufacturing
Collection of Curio and Relic guns
Explosive manufacturing
Destructive Device manufacturing
Ammunition manufacturing
Fireworks manufacturing
Fireworks sales
Fireworks distribution


So there might be over 2,000 FFL’s in Maryland, yes. But probably less than 200 are retail sales locations that sell guns to the public. The rest are industrial FFL’s held by businesses that work in areas requiring a FFL.

Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, for example, holds at least 6 different FFL’s at its facility in Bethesda. But NOT because they sell guns.

You should educate yourself about stuff like this, then you wouldn’t look so laughably uninformed and foolish when you blather things like “you still have 2,000 dealers to choose from chicken little”.

So you're hyperventilating about 3 shops that arguably were not following the law when you - self admittedly - have 200+ other retail locations to choose from?

Chill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

The AG sued 3 gun dealers in Rockville for obvious straw buying.

According to this website for FFLs, there's over 2000 federal dealers in Maryland: https://www.ffl123.com/ffl-dealers-per-state-by-population/

Stop shouting, chicken little. You still have 2000+ dealers to choose from in MD. No lack of options.

There are ~2,000 FFL holders in Maryland - that’s ALL types of FFL’s, of which there are many. Only a tiny fraction of that number are retail gun sales locations, however.


There are FFL’s required for:

Gun sales (like stores, obviously)

but also:

Gun repair/refinishing
Manufacturing
Collection of Curio and Relic guns
Explosive manufacturing
Destructive Device manufacturing
Ammunition manufacturing
Fireworks manufacturing
Fireworks sales
Fireworks distribution


So there might be over 2,000 FFL’s in Maryland, yes. But probably less than 200 are retail sales locations that sell guns to the public. The rest are industrial FFL’s held by businesses that work in areas requiring a FFL.

Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, for example, holds at least 6 different FFL’s at its facility in Bethesda. But NOT because they sell guns.

You should educate yourself about stuff like this, then you wouldn’t look so laughably uninformed and foolish when you blather things like “you still have 2,000 dealers to choose from chicken little”.

So you're hyperventilating about 3 shops that arguably were not following the law when you - self admittedly - have 200+ other retail locations to choose from?

Chill.

Those three dealers being unfairly targeted by the AG in this frivolous suit are the three closest ones to my home. I’m a regular customer at all three of them.

Your flippancy puzzles me.

What if the AG decided to sue your closest three pharmacies because people with illegally obtained prescriptions were buying narcotic drugs there and reselling them to kids? No big deal, right? You can just drive another 20 minutes to find another pharmacy, right?

[Anonymous]

Easy solution.

Every gun owner should be subject to periodic inspection to ensure they still have control of the guns they purchased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You register as a collector.

I already AM a designated collector with the state of Maryland.

That just means I can purchase multiple guns at time, rather than the current one-per-month that most Maryland residents are limited to. I registered as a designated collector because I frequently acquire multiple guns estate sales, where keeping a specific lot of guns together as part of their own collection is vital to maintaining the collective value of them as a set.


But even as a collector, I still need to go through a dealer to transfer them to me. If there are no gun dealers left because they’ve all been sued by a punitive AG, that’s a serious problem. Not just for me as a collector, but for ANY person who wants to acquire a gun legally and above board.

If you close gun dealers, you will basically force all gun transactions underground. Is that really the solution you want? Because then there’s no records, no background checks, no waiting periods, nothing. I don’t we’d be better served in that world that some of you seem to want to create by shutting down gun stores.

The AG sued 3 gun dealers in Rockville for obvious straw buying.

According to this website for FFLs, there's over 2000 federal dealers in Maryland: https://www.ffl123.com/ffl-dealers-per-state-by-population/

Stop shouting, chicken little. You still have 2000+ dealers to choose from in MD. No lack of options.

There are ~2,000 FFL holders in Maryland - that’s ALL types of FFL’s, of which there are many. Only a tiny fraction of that number are retail gun sales locations, however.


There are FFL’s required for:

Gun sales (like stores, obviously)

but also:

Gun repair/refinishing
Manufacturing
Collection of Curio and Relic guns
Explosive manufacturing
Destructive Device manufacturing
Ammunition manufacturing
Fireworks manufacturing
Fireworks sales
Fireworks distribution


So there might be over 2,000 FFL’s in Maryland, yes. But probably less than 200 are retail sales locations that sell guns to the public. The rest are industrial FFL’s held by businesses that work in areas requiring a FFL.

Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, for example, holds at least 6 different FFL’s at its facility in Bethesda. But NOT because they sell guns.

You should educate yourself about stuff like this, then you wouldn’t look so laughably uninformed and foolish when you blather things like “you still have 2,000 dealers to choose from chicken little”.

So you're hyperventilating about 3 shops that arguably were not following the law when you - self admittedly - have 200+ other retail locations to choose from?

Chill.

Those three dealers being unfairly targeted by the AG in this frivolous suit are the three closest ones to my home. I’m a regular customer at all three of them.

Your flippancy puzzles me.

What if the AG decided to sue your closest three pharmacies because people with illegally obtained prescriptions were buying narcotic drugs there and reselling them to kids? No big deal, right? You can just drive another 20 minutes to find another pharmacy, right?

Every comment makes you look nuttier.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how many times these gun shops been broken into and guns stolen. They need to close them all down.

So where do I - a non criminal - buy my guns after you’ve shut down the shops because your police won’t control criminals?

I mean, as long as we’re eliminating each other’s rights, can we also close polling places because I don’t like the outcome of local elections? You’re cool with that in exchange for closing gun stores, right? Tit for tat, and all….

How many guns does a non-criminal like you need?

I collect guns. Just like some people collect stamps or beanie babies or pointless Masters degrees. I enjoy it.

The guns I choose to collect are already expensive, and get more expensive each year, so it’s also a stable asset that continually appreciates.

But in order to purchase them, they MUST be purchased through an FFL. But you want to shut down FFL’s.

So where does that leave me?

You should love gun elimination because it will drive up the value of your investments.