Toxic Masculinity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

Quick to physically fight inability to walk away

Thinking threat of. Violence is a strong way to control others especially women and children

Inability to show care/empathy/sadness because they think it’s a sign of weakness

Dealing with frustration by breaking things and people

Inability to listen to others side because they need to control others through intimidation

I mean I can go on do you need me to?

This is a good list. So how should we respond when we come across
These things?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

The term “toxic masculinity” points to a particular version of masculinity that is unhealthy for the men and boys who conform to it, and harmful for those around them.

The phrase emphasises the worst aspects of stereotypically masculine attributes. Toxic masculinity is represented by qualities such as violence, dominance, emotional illiteracy, sexual entitlement, and hostility to femininity.

That’s a very dry, nonspecific, clinical sounding definition.

What does it look like IRL? In practice.

Seriously, PP? You can't think of men who have violent tendencies, a dominant personality, no way to connect to emotions like sadness, empathy, etc., believe they are entitled to sex, and dislike women who exhibit behaviors and beliefs that don't feed the male ego?

No, I can’t. No one I’ve ever dated has thought sexual assault or rape was a-ok. I’ve never been hit by a man outside of a dojo or boxing ring. My husband does dishes, changed diapers on our kids, and knows how to use a sewing machine, despite being very much the typical cliched “hyper masculine guy” - combat vet, MMA fighter, rides motorcycles, watches sports, generally gives off aggressive a-hole vibes to people who don’t know him, lol. Every one of you would probably say he’s a poster boy for toxic masculinity by his appearance. So is he? Because I don’t believe he is.

Because that isn’t toxic masculinity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

The term “toxic masculinity” points to a particular version of masculinity that is unhealthy for the men and boys who conform to it, and harmful for those around them.

The phrase emphasises the worst aspects of stereotypically masculine attributes. Toxic masculinity is represented by qualities such as violence, dominance, emotional illiteracy, sexual entitlement, and hostility to femininity.

That’s a very dry, nonspecific, clinical sounding definition.

What does it look like IRL? In practice.

Seriously, PP? You can't think of men who have violent tendencies, a dominant personality, no way to connect to emotions like sadness, empathy, etc., believe they are entitled to sex, and dislike women who exhibit behaviors and beliefs that don't feed the male ego?

No, I can’t. No one I’ve ever dated has thought sexual assault or rape was a-ok. I’ve never been hit by a man outside of a dojo or boxing ring. My husband does dishes, changed diapers on our kids, and knows how to use a sewing machine, despite being very much the typical cliched “hyper masculine guy” - combat vet, MMA fighter, rides motorcycles, watches sports, generally gives off aggressive a-hole vibes to people who don’t know him, lol. Every one of you would probably say he’s a poster boy for toxic masculinity by his appearance. So is he? Because I don’t believe he is.

Because that isn’t toxic masculinity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember telling my now adult son to treat women the way he would want men to treat his sisters.

Or just golden rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

The term “toxic masculinity” points to a particular version of masculinity that is unhealthy for the men and boys who conform to it, and harmful for those around them.

The phrase emphasises the worst aspects of stereotypically masculine attributes. Toxic masculinity is represented by qualities such as violence, dominance, emotional illiteracy, sexual entitlement, and hostility to femininity.

That’s a very dry, nonspecific, clinical sounding definition.

What does it look like IRL? In practice.

Seriously, PP? You can't think of men who have violent tendencies, a dominant personality, no way to connect to emotions like sadness, empathy, etc., believe they are entitled to sex, and dislike women who exhibit behaviors and beliefs that don't feed the male ego?

No, I can’t. No one I’ve ever dated has thought sexual assault or rape was a-ok. I’ve never been hit by a man outside of a dojo or boxing ring. My husband does dishes, changed diapers on our kids, and knows how to use a sewing machine, despite being very much the typical cliched “hyper masculine guy” - combat vet, MMA fighter, rides motorcycles, watches sports, generally gives off aggressive a-hole vibes to people who don’t know him, lol. Every one of you would probably say he’s a poster boy for toxic masculinity by his appearance. So is he? Because I don’t believe he is.

I don't look at a man and say he exemplifies toxic masculinity by his appearance. Interesting that you conflate hyper masculine with how people are using the phrase toxic masculinity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

The term “toxic masculinity” points to a particular version of masculinity that is unhealthy for the men and boys who conform to it, and harmful for those around them.

The phrase emphasises the worst aspects of stereotypically masculine attributes. Toxic masculinity is represented by qualities such as violence, dominance, emotional illiteracy, sexual entitlement, and hostility to femininity.

That’s a very dry, nonspecific, clinical sounding definition.

What does it look like IRL? In practice.

Seriously, PP? You can't think of men who have violent tendencies, a dominant personality, no way to connect to emotions like sadness, empathy, etc., believe they are entitled to sex, and dislike women who exhibit behaviors and beliefs that don't feed the male ego?

No, I can’t. No one I’ve ever dated has thought sexual assault or rape was a-ok. I’ve never been hit by a man outside of a dojo or boxing ring. My husband does dishes, changed diapers on our kids, and knows how to use a sewing machine, despite being very much the typical cliched “hyper masculine guy” - combat vet, MMA fighter, rides motorcycles, watches sports, generally gives off aggressive a-hole vibes to people who don’t know him, lol. Every one of you would probably say he’s a poster boy for toxic masculinity by his appearance. So is he? Because I don’t believe he is.

What kind of sheltered life have you led? You never heard Trump tell Billy Bush he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." That is overt toxic masculinity.

Have you never heard someone say, "man up", use a homophobic slur or the terms "alpha/beta"? Have of what comes out of JD Vance's mouth is toxic masculinity rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

Quick to physically fight inability to walk away

Thinking threat of. Violence is a strong way to control others especially women and children

Inability to show care/empathy/sadness because they think it’s a sign of weakness

Dealing with frustration by breaking things and people

Inability to listen to others side because they need to control others through intimidation

I mean I can go on do you need me to?

I would like you to because as is your list describes toxic behavior , but it's not specific to men

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

The term “toxic masculinity” points to a particular version of masculinity that is unhealthy for the men and boys who conform to it, and harmful for those around them.

The phrase emphasises the worst aspects of stereotypically masculine attributes. Toxic masculinity is represented by qualities such as violence, dominance, emotional illiteracy, sexual entitlement, and hostility to femininity.

That’s a very dry, nonspecific, clinical sounding definition.

What does it look like IRL? In practice.

Seriously, PP? You can't think of men who have violent tendencies, a dominant personality, no way to connect to emotions like sadness, empathy, etc., believe they are entitled to sex, and dislike women who exhibit behaviors and beliefs that don't feed the male ego?

No, I can’t. No one I’ve ever dated has thought sexual assault or rape was a-ok. I’ve never been hit by a man outside of a dojo or boxing ring. My husband does dishes, changed diapers on our kids, and knows how to use a sewing machine, despite being very much the typical cliched “hyper masculine guy” - combat vet, MMA fighter, rides motorcycles, watches sports, generally gives off aggressive a-hole vibes to people who don’t know him, lol. Every one of you would probably say he’s a poster boy for toxic masculinity by his appearance. So is he? Because I don’t believe he is.

What kind of sheltered life have you led? You never heard Trump tell Billy Bush he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." That is overt toxic masculinity.

Have you never heard someone say, "man up", use a homophobic slur or the terms "alpha/beta"? Have of what comes out of JD Vance's mouth is toxic masculinity rhetoric.

DP but not really. Not IRL anyway.

[Anonymous]

There are individual men, and women, that are toxic.

There’s nothing inherently toxic about either masculinity or femininity.

Toxic masculinity is a loaded, sexist term. Of course I am not going to teach my sons to hate themselves.

[Anonymous]

Toxic masculinity is the navy seals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

I like your post. No I do not think it is a real thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you define “toxic masculinity”?

Quick to physically fight inability to walk away

Thinking threat of. Violence is a strong way to control others especially women and children

Inability to show care/empathy/sadness because they think it’s a sign of weakness

Dealing with frustration by breaking things and people

Inability to listen to others side because they need to control others through intimidation

I mean I can go on do you need me to?

I would like you to because as is your list describes toxic behavior , but it's not specific to men

There is something off in your way of thinking. It’s doesn’t matter is a woman can do these things too.

If you asked me things that happen when recovering from breast cancer and I mention something that also happens when u have leukemia it doesn’t matter.they can share traits, like a Venn diagram. Do you understand what a Venn diagram is or do you need that explained to you too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

I like your post. No I do not think it is a real thing.

What is not a "real thing" -- You don't think that boys and girls are raised with different expectations about how to behave as adults? You don't believe that men and women get different social cues about how to express their emotions? You don't think that social pressures can be internalized in negative ways or taken to harmful extremes?

[Anonymous]

I would define it as men who are insecure about their own masculinity so they overcompensate by acting in what they feel is a stereotypical masculine way bullying men they feel are inferior and demeaning and not treating women as equals. This has nothing to do with how men fall on a spectrum of typical "manly" jobs, behavior or style preferences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would define it as men who are insecure about their own masculinity so they overcompensate by acting in what they feel is a stereotypical masculine way bullying men they feel are inferior and demeaning and not treating women as equals. This has nothing to do with how men fall on a spectrum of typical "manly" jobs, behavior or style preferences.

Or even dumb stuff like declining medical treatment because it looks weak. "Fight through the pain" is a top reason men give to avoid seeing a doctor. It's literally harmful to their health (i.e., "toxic").