Hardy vs. Deal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:there are a zillion threads on this. all mostly boils down to (a) deal is twice as large and (b) hardy only recently become a neighborhood dominant school.

that being said, pick the neighborhood you like better.

does "recently become a neighborhood dominant school" mean recently become more white?

It means that to some degree, but it also means simply that more people live nearby.

Now more students walk to school, ride their bikes, or take the bus down Wisconsin. It means that more students have classmates, teammates, and clubmates that live within a couple of blocks, to commute with or to run into in the grocery store or to play basketball with after school. It means more parents can more easily get to Back-to-School night and PTO meetings and clean-up day.

Heh, OP doesnt live nearby either. or do whites from other neighborhoods
count as IBs? OP gave a list of traits but this is what it boils down to instead

No they don't count. IB Means in boundary. So roughly lives in the boundary of the potomac and mass ave, with a carve out for parts of Cleveland Park. Hardy is roughly 64% today.

DCPS is stingier about data on boundary than on race, so easy to use it. That is a choice by OSSE/DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Is there a way to compare safety incidents per student? That’s my only concern as a parent at a feeder elementary

[Anonymous]

Hardy had the least safety incidents of all middle schools in DC two years ago, and also again last year.

*NOTE: this is not adjusted for student size, so it may not be fair to compare Deal to Hardy, but I'm confident (though not certain) Hardy has the least incidents per student too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hardy had the least safety incidents of all middle schools in DC two years ago, and also again last year.

*NOTE: this is not adjusted for student size, so it may not be fair to compare Deal to Hardy, but I'm confident (though not certain) Hardy has the least incidents per student too.

Where are these statistics located?

[Anonymous]

yes i agree with stay nearby for now and change schools if and when you move

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes i agree with stay nearby for now and change schools if and when you move

We're at a Hardy feeder and don't plan on moving until middle school. We could either live near elementary or near middle/high school, but not both, and decided it was better to be closer when they are older and more self sufficient. Unless interest rates go way down, we'll rent and rent, then move home once DCs are out of the house. No need to deal with being a landlord and a renter for longer than necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are a zillion threads on this. all mostly boils down to (a) deal is twice as large and (b) hardy only recently become a neighborhood dominant school.

that being said, pick the neighborhood you like better.

does "recently become a neighborhood dominant school" mean recently become more white?

It means that to some degree, but it also means simply that more people live nearby.

Now more students walk to school, ride their bikes, or take the bus down Wisconsin. It means that more students have classmates, teammates, and clubmates that live within a couple of blocks, to commute with or to run into in the grocery store or to play basketball with after school. It means more parents can more easily get to Back-to-School night and PTO meetings and clean-up day.

Heh, OP doesnt live nearby either. or do whites from other neighborhoods
count as IBs? OP gave a list of traits but this is what it boils down to instead

No they don't count. IB Means in boundary. So roughly lives in the boundary of the potomac and mass ave, with a carve out for parts of Cleveland Park. Hardy is roughly 64% today.

DCPS is stingier about data on boundary than on race, so easy to use it. That is a choice by OSSE/DCPS.

this person (the post i was referring to) sure seems to count them?

"the neighborhoods that feed hardy are 75% white and 8% black. for kids, it is less white, but still over 50%. hardy is slowly becoming more like the surrounding neighborhoods."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes i agree with stay nearby for now and change schools if and when you move

We're at a Hardy feeder and don't plan on moving until middle school. We could either live near elementary or near middle/high school, but not both, and decided it was better to be closer when they are older and more self sufficient. Unless interest rates go way down, we'll rent and rent, then move home once DCs are out of the house. No need to deal with being a landlord and a renter for longer than necessary.

hunh? you are at the hardy feeder but dont live near the hardy feeder? it doesnt sound like you live close to either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes i agree with stay nearby for now and change schools if and when you move

We're at a Hardy feeder and don't plan on moving until middle school. We could either live near elementary or near middle/high school, but not both, and decided it was better to be closer when they are older and more self sufficient. Unless interest rates go way down, we'll rent and rent, then move home once DCs are out of the house. No need to deal with being a landlord and a renter for longer than necessary.

hunh? you are at the hardy feeder but dont live near the hardy feeder? it doesnt sound like you live close to either.

There's a school lottery in DC, y'know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes i agree with stay nearby for now and change schools if and when you move

We're at a Hardy feeder and don't plan on moving until middle school. We could either live near elementary or near middle/high school, but not both, and decided it was better to be closer when they are older and more self sufficient. Unless interest rates go way down, we'll rent and rent, then move home once DCs are out of the house. No need to deal with being a landlord and a renter for longer than necessary.

hunh? you are at the hardy feeder but dont live near the hardy feeder? it doesnt sound like you live close to either.

There's a school lottery in DC, y'know.

You missed the sarcasm. I am pointing out the conflation between whites and inbound students at these schools. And how those perceptions influence which schools are deemed to be desirable. Reread the entire thread. It is an excellent example.

[Anonymous]

sigh. in 2016-2017 (for example), hardy was 20% IB. now it is almost 2/3 IB. that is a substantial change over 8 or so years. the percentage of white students has also substantially increased during this same time period.

[Anonymous]

Hardy used to be the main option for kids in the lesser parts of DC allowing them to be funneled to Wilson. When the old administrations started stacking the deck that only accelerated the local families abandoning it more which in turn created more seats for the rest of DC to have a shot at Wilson which always seemed like the intent. Kept Wilson diverse and gave black families who couldn’t afford ward 3 a public path.

Now that so many of the recent home owners are house poor and the good privates are not really for working families anymore, there has been a concerted effort to “reclaim” hardy. A couple of years ago at the fourth of July parade in the palisades , there were hipster parents walking with a “Hardy is good enough for my kids and it’s good enough for yours” banner. Few struggling schools in DC have such a clear path to respectability but it has been an uphill battle since so much of Hardy’s zone simply will never go public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hardy used to be the main option for kids in the lesser parts of DC allowing them to be funneled to Wilson. When the old administrations started stacking the deck that only accelerated the local families abandoning it more which in turn created more seats for the rest of DC to have a shot at Wilson which always seemed like the intent. Kept Wilson diverse and gave black families who couldn’t afford ward 3 a public path.

Now that so many of the recent home owners are house poor and the good privates are not really for working families anymore, there has been a concerted effort to “reclaim” hardy. A couple of years ago at the fourth of July parade in the palisades , there were hipster parents walking with a “Hardy is good enough for my kids and it’s good enough for yours” banner. Few struggling schools in DC have such a clear path to respectability but it has been an uphill battle since so much of Hardy’s zone simply will never go public.

It's such an uphill battle that its IB percentage has nearly tripled in seven or so years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hardy used to be the main option for kids in the lesser parts of DC allowing them to be funneled to Wilson. When the old administrations started stacking the deck that only accelerated the local families abandoning it more which in turn created more seats for the rest of DC to have a shot at Wilson which always seemed like the intent. Kept Wilson diverse and gave black families who couldn’t afford ward 3 a public path.

Now that so many of the recent home owners are house poor and the good privates are not really for working families anymore, there has been a concerted effort to “reclaim” hardy. A couple of years ago at the fourth of July parade in the palisades , there were hipster parents walking with a “Hardy is good enough for my kids and it’s good enough for yours” banner. Few struggling schools in DC have such a clear path to respectability but it has been an uphill battle since so much of Hardy’s zone simply will never go public.

“Lesser parts of DC”?!

[Anonymous]

Not completely on topic, but on my kid's first day at Hardy, there were a LOT of cars with Maryland plates dropping kids off. Sigh....