Scattergram v. CollegeVine for chancing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:high school based scattergrams are the most accurate by far

Even though they include 10 years of data?

My kids’ school uses three, I think 5 is the standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:high school based scattergrams are the most accurate by far

Even though they include 10 years of data?

My kids’ school uses three, I think 5 is the standard.

DP. Ours was 10+. Definitely worth an email to the counselor to find out. 3 would have been really helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:high school based scattergrams are the most accurate by far

Even though they include 10 years of data?

This is why I have trouble trusting the Scattergram. I wish you could sort by years. It would be most helpful to see the scattergram with only the past three years of data.

10 years is not the norm. Our school only shows 2021-2024, but you can look at any year separately. You can also sort by application type (ED, EA, RD).

[Anonymous]

One thing we realized was the scattergrams are based on the graduation GPA, not the end of junior year GPA. At least it says that on ours in naviance. It makes a difference for my DC on the scattergrams.

[Anonymous]

We used scattergrams only to get a ballpark feel for if a particular college tends to “like” students from our HS.
The only real way to help define reach/target/likely for our student IMO is to use the CDS data for each college and see where our student fits that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing we realized was the scattergrams are based on the graduation GPA, not the end of junior year GPA. At least it says that on ours in naviance. It makes a difference for my DC on the scattergrams.

Well that changes things!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing we realized was the scattergrams are based on the graduation GPA, not the end of junior year GPA. At least it says that on ours in naviance. It makes a difference for my DC on the scattergrams.

Well that changes things!

Do GLAs typically go up or down by the end of senior year?

[Anonymous]

GPAs

[Anonymous]

Off topic, but this a thread that exemplifies the best of dcum. Genuine crowsourcing to inform each other.

[Anonymous]

Scattergrams, unless there is very minimal data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CollegeVine chances just changed drastically. I do not trust that anymore.

+1 no way my mid has a 35% chance at Princeton admission, even with perfect stats.

They seem to use pretty outdated data as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing we realized was the scattergrams are based on the graduation GPA, not the end of junior year GPA. At least it says that on ours in naviance. It makes a difference for my DC on the scattergrams.

Well that changes things!

Do GLAs typically go up or down by the end of senior year?

Up if the senior is taking a lot of AP/DE courses with high weighting. My DC had 5 total AP/DE courses at the end of junior year (+1 pt in FCPS grading system), and is taking another 5 senior year. That's a big leap in weighted GPA.

[Anonymous]

Of my kid's 8 colleges of interest, only one has data on scattercram (which we get through the school Naviance - I have no idea how many years are included). The others just pop up a note that they don't have sufficient data. So that's not much help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both have flaws. College Vine is self reported while most of the scattergrams you will access from her school will likely have statistically insignificant data.

Use both as a guide.

Most schools remove legacies, recruited athletes, first gen, etc. so the scattergrams are actually pretty accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both have flaws. College Vine is self reported while most of the scattergrams you will access from her school will likely have statistically insignificant data.

Use both as a guide.

Most schools remove legacies, recruited athletes, first gen, etc. so the scattergrams are actually pretty accurate.

Please be careful about saying “most schools.” That may be your experience but I’m fairly certain that MCPS schools do not do this.