WWYD Class Placement

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Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

First of all, math is really all you should care about academically. The "deep learning" in other subjects is not deep at all. But the math acceleration is real.

Second, not being in AAP frequently affects parents more than the children.
We want our children to be resilient in the face of adversity. We should strive to be resilient as well. This is a relatively meaningless feather in a particularly meaningless cap.

The principal referrals are kind of bullshit. We really ought to get rid of them. But the fact that some kids don't deserve to be there doesn't mean your kid deserves to be there.
However, I do think there ought to be a test score above which the committee must accept a kid no matter what the GBRS says. I have met too many biased teachers (going both ways) to think that their assessments are unbiased.

Well said. Meaningless except math. OP, make sure your child stays on track to take the Iowa in 6th if that’s what’s appropriate for them. You don’t need LIV for that.

They need to push into LIV math in 5th, when they covers two yrs in one ( 5th and 6th grade math). As a FCPS student, They need to get over 91% on IAAT and pass advance on 7th grade SOL to take algebra in 7th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

First of all, math is really all you should care about academically. The "deep learning" in other subjects is not deep at all. But the math acceleration is real.

Second, not being in AAP frequently affects parents more than the children.
We want our children to be resilient in the face of adversity. We should strive to be resilient as well. This is a relatively meaningless feather in a particularly meaningless cap.

The principal referrals are kind of bullshit. We really ought to get rid of them. But the fact that some kids don't deserve to be there doesn't mean your kid deserves to be there.
However, I do think there ought to be a test score above which the committee must accept a kid no matter what the GBRS says. I have met too many biased teachers (going both ways) to think that their assessments are unbiased.

Well said. Meaningless except math. OP, make sure your child stays on track to take the Iowa in 6th if that’s what’s appropriate for them. You don’t need LIV for that.

They need to push into LIV math in 5th, when they covers two yrs in one ( 5th and 6th grade math). As a FCPS student, They need to get over 91% on IAAT and pass advance on 7th grade SOL to take algebra in 7th.

The first sentence isn’t accurate. You can’t push into IV just for math and you don’t “need” to do this to take Alg in 7th. By definition, LIV is comprehensive AAP. You can push into AAP math in 6th (or earlier) to ensure you can take the SOL7 and Iowa in 6th to take Algebra in 7th. If this is your primary goal, getting into AAP IV is unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That happened to us. Life went on and kid is a solid student entering his Senior year. Better GPA than some of his friends who were in AAP. Make it your hill to die on or move on. If he is too advanced for GenEd math, they will move him up for just AAP math and at the end of the day, by the time they get to HS, AAP is just accelerated math.

I know in the grand scheme of things no one really remembers who was in 3rd grade AAP, but right now it feels like he isn't with his academic peer group.

I'm going to have a meeting with administration and figure out what the issue was and get our ducks in a row for next year's application.

Unless you are in a Title I school or one with a significant low income or ESOL population, your child is absolutely in with his peer group.

We are in a Title I school with significant low income AND ESOL and my kid will be the only native English speaking kid in his class.

Bullshit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

First of all, math is really all you should care about academically. The "deep learning" in other subjects is not deep at all. But the math acceleration is real.

Second, not being in AAP frequently affects parents more than the children.
We want our children to be resilient in the face of adversity. We should strive to be resilient as well. This is a relatively meaningless feather in a particularly meaningless cap.

The principal referrals are kind of bullshit. We really ought to get rid of them. But the fact that some kids don't deserve to be there doesn't mean your kid deserves to be there.
However, I do think there ought to be a test score above which the committee must accept a kid no matter what the GBRS says. I have met too many biased teachers (going both ways) to think that their assessments are unbiased.

Well said. Meaningless except math. OP, make sure your child stays on track to take the Iowa in 6th if that’s what’s appropriate for them. You don’t need LIV for that.

They need to push into LIV math in 5th, when they covers two yrs in one ( 5th and 6th grade math). As a FCPS student, They need to get over 91% on IAAT and pass advance on 7th grade SOL to take algebra in 7th.

The first sentence isn’t accurate. You can’t push into IV just for math and you don’t “need” to do this to take Alg in 7th. By definition, LIV is comprehensive AAP. You can push into AAP math in 6th (or earlier) to ensure you can take the SOL7 and Iowa in 6th to take Algebra in 7th. If this is your primary goal, getting into AAP IV is unnecessary.

Admin determines if the student can push in or not. We had a number of level III kids push-in *just* for AAP math at our center school if they tested in (at the beginning of each year). I suppose you can request to take the tests without being in a classe that teach the advanced curriculum but your kid is likely taking outside enrichment or tutoring to learn it. I don't think FCPS is offering the 7th grade SOL to students enrolled in 6th grade math.

[Anonymous]

Depending what school you’re at, advanced math for the non-level IV kids may be determined by placement test at the beginning of the school year (or your kiddo may already be slated for advanced math). IME, many kids switch in and out of AAP class for math.

You might ask about that for peace of mind. If your kid is going to be in advanced math, it’s really not a huge deal for them not to be in the AAP class this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

First of all, math is really all you should care about academically. The "deep learning" in other subjects is not deep at all. But the math acceleration is real.

Second, not being in AAP frequently affects parents more than the children.
We want our children to be resilient in the face of adversity. We should strive to be resilient as well. This is a relatively meaningless feather in a particularly meaningless cap.

The principal referrals are kind of bullshit. We really ought to get rid of them. But the fact that some kids don't deserve to be there doesn't mean your kid deserves to be there.
However, I do think there ought to be a test score above which the committee must accept a kid no matter what the GBRS says. I have met too many biased teachers (going both ways) to think that their assessments are unbiased.

Well said. Meaningless except math. OP, make sure your child stays on track to take the Iowa in 6th if that’s what’s appropriate for them. You don’t need LIV for that.

They need to push into LIV math in 5th, when they covers two yrs in one ( 5th and 6th grade math). As a FCPS student, They need to get over 91% on IAAT and pass advance on 7th grade SOL to take algebra in 7th.

The first sentence isn’t accurate. You can’t push into IV just for math and you don’t “need” to do this to take Alg in 7th. By definition, LIV is comprehensive AAP. You can push into AAP math in 6th (or earlier) to ensure you can take the SOL7 and Iowa in 6th to take Algebra in 7th. If this is your primary goal, getting into AAP IV is unnecessary.

Admin determines if the student can push in or not. We had a number of level III kids push-in *just* for AAP math at our center school if they tested in (at the beginning of each year). I suppose you can request to take the tests without being in a classe that teach the advanced curriculum but your kid is likely taking outside enrichment or tutoring to learn it. I don't think FCPS is offering the 7th grade SOL to students enrolled in 6th grade math.

PP. We were at a non-center school that didn’t offer LIV. We had a lot of kids take advanced math in 6th that took the SOL7 and the Iowa. They weren’t pushing in to AAP LIV. They were just taking AA math and landed in Algebra in 7. If OP’s child is strong in math, I was suggesting they pursue this route and not worry too much about getting into LIV.

[Anonymous]

When does advanced math start? Does it start in 3rd? I've heard mixed things - have a 3rd grader that didn't get into AAP but we want to try for advanced math next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When does advanced math start? Does it start in 3rd? I've heard mixed things - have a 3rd grader that didn't get into AAP but we want to try for advanced math next year.

It seems to vary by school. I’d reach out to the AART to understand the options at your school. I wish I had known to be more intentional about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When does advanced math start? Does it start in 3rd? I've heard mixed things - have a 3rd grader that didn't get into AAP but we want to try for advanced math next year.

At our non-center school advanced math didn't start until 5th. Before that, a one-hour pull out once a week was it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

First of all, math is really all you should care about academically. The "deep learning" in other subjects is not deep at all. But the math acceleration is real.

Second, not being in AAP frequently affects parents more than the children.
We want our children to be resilient in the face of adversity. We should strive to be resilient as well. This is a relatively meaningless feather in a particularly meaningless cap.

The principal referrals are kind of bullshit. We really ought to get rid of them. But the fact that some kids don't deserve to be there doesn't mean your kid deserves to be there.
However, I do think there ought to be a test score above which the committee must accept a kid no matter what the GBRS says. I have met too many biased teachers (going both ways) to think that their assessments are unbiased.

Well said. Meaningless except math. OP, make sure your child stays on track to take the Iowa in 6th if that’s what’s appropriate for them. You don’t need LIV for that.

They need to push into LIV math in 5th, when they covers two yrs in one ( 5th and 6th grade math). As a FCPS student, They need to get over 91% on IAAT and pass advance on 7th grade SOL to take algebra in 7th.

The first sentence isn’t accurate. You can’t push into IV just for math and you don’t “need” to do this to take Alg in 7th. By definition, LIV is comprehensive AAP. You can push into AAP math in 6th (or earlier) to ensure you can take the SOL7 and Iowa in 6th to take Algebra in 7th. If this is your primary goal, getting into AAP IV is unnecessary.

Admin determines if the student can push in or not. We had a number of level III kids push-in *just* for AAP math at our center school if they tested in (at the beginning of each year). I suppose you can request to take the tests without being in a classe that teach the advanced curriculum but your kid is likely taking outside enrichment or tutoring to learn it. I don't think FCPS is offering the 7th grade SOL to students enrolled in 6th grade math.

PP. We were at a non-center school that didn’t offer LIV. We had a lot of kids take advanced math in 6th that took the SOL7 and the Iowa. They weren’t pushing in to AAP LIV. They were just taking AA math and landed in Algebra in 7. If OP’s child is strong in math, I was suggesting they pursue this route and not worry too much about getting into LIV.

Cool, good to know. That’s not how it works at our center school. The only advanced math offering that ends with SOL 7 and IAAT testing in 6th is the level IV AAP class and kids who weren’t in full-time AAP could take a test to push into that class. It’s good for ppl to understand that not all schools and programming work the same w/in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

My kid moved to FCPS in 4th grade and didn’t test high enough for AAP. Took honors classes in middle school. Will be a junior at TJ this year and so far has gotten straight As there. I don’t think AAP makes as big a difference as some people think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My third grader was in pool for AAP but didn't get in. I assumed he would principal placed, but that is not the case. We got the letter in the spring that he was level 3 math and his test scores are in the 95-99 percentile.

Less than 10 kids are officially in the AAP program that didn't leave for a centered and at Open House we saw a few kids we know we're not even in pool or parent referred in the AAP class.

We are at a loss on how we didn't end up in and some others did knowing what we know.

How would you proceed? I already scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss.

The other Parents had that meeting prior to the school year to express their child's "needs". You're likely too late now in the gamesmanship that is Elementary School roulette class selection. As other have stated, be firm in your request for accelerated math push-ins given the L3 Math designation.

[Anonymous]

My DD is at a center school. She did not get into level 4. In 4th grade she was placed in advance math and goes each day for an hour to the level 4 AAP Class for math. She now in 5th and will join the level 4 class as well. I spoke to the level 4 teacher and she will be doing 6th grade math this year.

[Anonymous]

If a student was principal placed in full time AAP and did horrible on the reading iReady test will they be put back to general education? Student is doing great in the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That happened to us. Life went on and kid is a solid student entering his Senior year. Better GPA than some of his friends who were in AAP. Make it your hill to die on or move on. If he is too advanced for GenEd math, they will move him up for just AAP math and at the end of the day, by the time they get to HS, AAP is just accelerated math.

I know in the grand scheme of things no one really remembers who was in 3rd grade AAP, but right now it feels like he isn't with his academic peer group.

I'm going to have a meeting with administration and figure out what the issue was and get our ducks in a row for next year's application.

Unless you are in a Title I school or one with a significant low income or ESOL population, your child is absolutely in with his peer group.

We are in a Title I school with significant low income AND ESOL and my kid will be the only native English speaking kid in his class.

Are you OP? So you just want your child in AAP because you're racist?