ED1 to Chicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Careful, there are a couple of anti-UChicago haters here.

They will claim that UChicago is barely a functional community college that uses mass marketing and hocus pocus to increase its selectivity and yield.

OP here. Fully aware of the above. I an just interested in first-hand experience in applying ED1 in recent years.

Excellent. You are probably aware that UChicago introduced a summer ED opportunity in the past few weeks. Basically, if one has taken any summer classes at UChicago, even online, they are eligible to apply ED on Sept. 1 and get a decision before October.

UChicago appeals to a very particular student. Rigorous, no-frills must be a hardcore academic. Since those high stat, high achieving students are what all the Ivy plus schools (Ivy plus MIT, Stanford, UChicago, Duke, CalTech) covet, to distinguish themselves they above all the other schools LOVE demonstrated interest through ED. Since they have EDI and EDII, they take the majority of their freshmen class from ED. It is not a large cohort who apply ED (exact and even guesstimate numbers are not really available.) From the interwebs, most likely 60% or greater are admitted in some form of ED.

[Anonymous]

I think the ED1 acceptance rate was something like 5% this year. It was 1% for RD. DD applied ED1 and got in. 3.8 GPA, 36 ACT, nice video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the ED1 acceptance rate was something like 5% this year. It was 1% for RD. DD applied ED1 and got in. 3.8 GPA, 36 ACT, nice video.

yeah, the EA/ED round was around 5% per Dean of Admissions. He mentioned it during the welcome zoom in December. My kid got in EA. And before the haters descend, no, not full pay, not from a prep school.

[Anonymous]

OP here. If understand correctly, the 5 percent refers to the combined ED1 + ED2 + EA rounds. I have never seen the official number for ED1 only.

[Anonymous]

There is zero information out there about UChicago's ED acceptance rate. If it was low, you bet your bottom dollar that they would publish it far and wide.

They don't. And that tells you something. Absence of evidence and all of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is zero information out there about UChicago's ED acceptance rate. If it was low, you bet your bottom dollar that they would publish it far and wide.

They don't. And that tells you something. Absence of evidence and all of that.

I have heard the Dean Nondorf discuss it in several open forums. On Zoom calls with newly admitted students and in person at Rockefeller Chapel.

Your "absence of evidence" shows only that you were absent from these events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is zero information out there about UChicago's ED acceptance rate. If it was low, you bet your bottom dollar that they would publish it far and wide.

They don't. And that tells you something. Absence of evidence and all of that.

I have heard the Dean Nondorf discuss it in several open forums. On Zoom calls with newly admitted students and in person at Rockefeller Chapel.

Your "absence of evidence" shows only that you were absent from these events.

What did he say?

[Anonymous]

I just checked our school’s naviance. 53 kids applied to Chicago last year and only one was accepted. At least half of the kids were 5.0/1500+.

None applied ED. This was all EA or RD.

It’s a hard school to get into if you don’t apply ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just checked our school’s naviance. 53 kids applied to Chicago last year and only one was accepted. At least half of the kids were 5.0/1500+.

None applied ED. This was all EA or RD.

It’s a hard school to get into if you don’t apply ED.

Average SAT was 1530 for the incoming class. That is the baseline. And on top of raw numbers they all have to be "interesting" in some kind of hard to quantify way. Also, as noted, ED is a big big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked our school’s naviance. 53 kids applied to Chicago last year and only one was accepted. At least half of the kids were 5.0/1500+.

None applied ED. This was all EA or RD.

It’s a hard school to get into if you don’t apply ED.

Average SAT was 1530 for the incoming class. That is the baseline. And on top of raw numbers they all have to be "interesting" in some kind of hard to quantify way. Also, as noted, ED is a big big deal.

Power of Test Optional

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is zero information out there about UChicago's ED acceptance rate. If it was low, you bet your bottom dollar that they would publish it far and wide.

They don't. And that tells you something. Absence of evidence and all of that.

I have heard the Dean Nondorf discuss it in several open forums. On Zoom calls with newly admitted students and in person at Rockefeller Chapel.

Your "absence of evidence" shows only that you were absent from these events.

I think they mean that they are pretty fuzzy with actual numbers. For example combining EA with ED as one number, such that ED 1 rate isn't really clear. Their last CDS 2023-24 has some holes, they dont share ED numbers. Other schools are selective in what they share and of course there is a reason, whatever that may be. But it's cleat they dont want that info out there.

Its know that Chicago will send emails to EA applicants to push for ED 2. They are also known to waitlist and then make phone calls secure assurance of acceptance. There is a reason their yield is so high (yes, its a great school, but still relatively high vs peers)

At an info session last summer, the question was asked about acceptance rates in each round. The answer was very precise. ~"We take about the same number of students from each round". Now if a student applies EA, receives an email to apply ED 2 and accepts, are they counted in EA or ED2? IF a student applies EA, passes on ED2 is waitlisted and called of the waitlist, are the counted as EA or RD? There is now way to tell because the dont disclose.

A while back, out of curiosity I ran some scenarios in a spreadsheet given what I was told at the info session. Generally across the selective schools I have looked at, ED seems to get ~9-13% of the total applications. No idea what EA gets, but I would guess the given some are encouraged to ED2, this may be on the high side. Last CDS, Chicago had about 40K applicants, so at 15% for ED, that would be about 6k. Of this they are taking more than 50% of their class of about 1850 students. That alone, suggests the ED+ED2 rate is at least 15-16%. If we assume some are taken EA, the RD would be sub 2%, which makes sense since so many students apply outside the ED1/2 rounds. I would also guess the EA rate is pretty low, but better than RD.

The overall rate in the last cds was ~4.5%, so that too suggest the ED rounds are probably 3-4x higher. I would guess ED1 is in the 20-25% range and ED in the 8-12% range, with more students applying ED2 than 1

[Anonymous]

PP. Too add. A low EA/ED1/ED2 rate is achieved for communication cause the EA rate is very low due to quite a few students applying this round vs ED 1/2.

I could even imagine the ED 1 rate higher than 20-25% if there are fewer that round due to students hedging by applying EA, knowing they can swap to ED 2 if they need to.

[Anonymous]

I think most kids who apply ED either genuinely like the school, or are not confident they can get into HPSM, Columbia, Duke, Yale, Caltech, or Penn. But regardless, you pretty much need to apply ED to give yourself a chance, otherwise you’re just giving them application money for nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is zero information out there about UChicago's ED acceptance rate. If it was low, you bet your bottom dollar that they would publish it far and wide.

They don't. And that tells you something. Absence of evidence and all of that.

I have heard the Dean Nondorf discuss it in several open forums. On Zoom calls with newly admitted students and in person at Rockefeller Chapel.

Your "absence of evidence" shows only that you were absent from these events.

I think they mean that they are pretty fuzzy with actual numbers. For example combining EA with ED as one number, such that ED 1 rate isn't really clear. Their last CDS 2023-24 has some holes, they dont share ED numbers. Other schools are selective in what they share and of course there is a reason, whatever that may be. But it's cleat they dont want that info out there.

Its know that Chicago will send emails to EA applicants to push for ED 2. They are also known to waitlist and then make phone calls secure assurance of acceptance. There is a reason their yield is so high (yes, its a great school, but still relatively high vs peers)

At an info session last summer, the question was asked about acceptance rates in each round. The answer was very precise. ~"We take about the same number of students from each round". Now if a student applies EA, receives an email to apply ED 2 and accepts, are they counted in EA or ED2? IF a student applies EA, passes on ED2 is waitlisted and called of the waitlist, are the counted as EA or RD? There is now way to tell because the dont disclose.

A while back, out of curiosity I ran some scenarios in a spreadsheet given what I was told at the info session. Generally across the selective schools I have looked at, ED seems to get ~9-13% of the total applications. No idea what EA gets, but I would guess the given some are encouraged to ED2, this may be on the high side. Last CDS, Chicago had about 40K applicants, so at 15% for ED, that would be about 6k. Of this they are taking more than 50% of their class of about 1850 students. That alone, suggests the ED+ED2 rate is at least 15-16%. If we assume some are taken EA, the RD would be sub 2%, which makes sense since so many students apply outside the ED1/2 rounds. I would also guess the EA rate is pretty low, but better than RD.

The overall rate in the last cds was ~4.5%, so that too suggest the ED rounds are probably 3-4x higher. I would guess ED1 is in the 20-25% range and ED in the 8-12% range, with more students applying ED2 than 1

Nope. This presentation was months before the other rounds. You don't have information and are running imaginary scenarios in Excel. Lady, why don't you just listen to the people who were in the room?

[Anonymous]

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Nope. This presentation was months before the other rounds. You don't have information and are running imaginary scenarios in Excel. Lady, why don't you just listen to the people who were in the room?

Not sure what you're are contesting. I was in a room at UChicago with admissions officers. I pulled data off from the most recent CDS shared by UChicago off their website.

https://bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/voices.uchicago.edu/dist/8/2077/files/2024/06/UChicago_CDS_2023-24.pdf

The overall acceptance rate is ~4.5% There is no way ED1 is in the 5% range. ED1+ED2+EA? Yeah, I can buy that.