Any predictions on divisions next year - Prince Mont

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Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

We frequently agree with the other team to run additional heats. It’s nice that lots of kids get a chance to swim at the A meet. The team feels very cohesive.

Many of our officials are USA Swimming officials and we run meets fast. We are usually done by noon.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

We frequently agree with the other team to run additional heats. It’s nice that lots of kids get a chance to swim at the A meet. The team feels very cohesive.

Many of our officials are USA Swimming officials and we run meets fast. We are usually done by noon.

There were 6-7 heats in some of the A division U little events this Saturday. Thank goodness it wasn't as hot as the weeks before but still pretty rough

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Anonymous wrote:Cheverly will go up to A and PGP will go down to B. Not sure about other divisions.

Not sure cheverly will go up. They won season on points but will probably finish 2nd or 3rd at divisionials.

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares. I wish MCSL and PMSL would just merge, or create an east and a west.

NP - I care! How many teams are in PMSL?

Not many. 23-25. Some of the teams are TINY though

Good to know, thanks! I’m all for expanding MCSL, and if the geographic division thing reduces driving time, so much the better.

I don’t think the PrinceMont teams want to be in MCSL.

+1 -- these leagues have different histories, different rules, and different feels; they should not merge

I'd love to learn more than the PMSL website (or the MCSL one, for that matter) tells about the leagues! Talk to me.

PMSL was the first racially-integrated summer swim league in this area, and it continues to be much more diverse than MCSL -- both racially and geographically (with teams from Montgomery County, PG County, Howard County, Charles County, AA County, Calvert County, and DC). In MCSL, the teams have A meets on Saturdays and B meets on Wednesdays. That means the team is divided for meets with the better swimmers at the A meets and everyone else at the B meets. PMSL only has one meet on Saturdays with everyone together. This means PMSL meets last longer, but there's not a hierarchy/division within the team as is often the case with MCSL teams. In PMSL there's not a question each week about who is going to make the A meet.

MCSL is more competitive and intense at the upper divisions with swimmers wearing tech suits to dual meets. PMSL is generally lower key with people understanding this is summer swim and the purpose is to have fun (although there are still some very fast/competitive swimmers in the league). There's also a difference in the events swum at the meets. PMSL events include 100IM and 100 free (for 15-18) but everything else is 50s. MCSL swims 100IM, 100 free, 100 breast, 100 back + 50 fly. This means non year-round swimmers can often be more competitive in PMSL because they can swim a fast 50 fly, etc.

As a long time PMSL family, this is a great explanation. I love our league and while they are some exceptional swimmers, it is pretty low key and kids (and families) are in it for the fun of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

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'Many PMSL teams are smaller. Our PMSL team only has 65 kids and on any given week, we only have about 50 kids swimming. Some age groups only have a handful of swimmers. We have gone to PMSL meets for years and there have been very few meets where we have more than 3 heats (and that is typically only free.)

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

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'Many PMSL teams are smaller. Our PMSL team only has 65 kids and on any given week, we only have about 50 kids swimming. Some age groups only have a handful of swimmers. We have gone to PMSL meets for years and there have been very few meets where we have more than 3 heats (and that is typically only free.)

As a small PMSL team, do you typically indulge if opponents ask for extra free and back heats for the little guys (even if that means 2-3 heats that are ONLY the other team?)

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain for PMSL how you can actually swim all these swimmers in a Saturday meet? My understanding is 12/team in free and back and 6/team in fly and breast. However only the top two from each team score. Does this mean you could bring 20 8Us for free and then what? You just have to run more heats than 4 (with the 12/team limit?). Just trying to understand how the actual meets go.

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'Many PMSL teams are smaller. Our PMSL team only has 65 kids and on any given week, we only have about 50 kids swimming. Some age groups only have a handful of swimmers. We have gone to PMSL meets for years and there have been very few meets where we have more than 3 heats (and that is typically only free.)

As a small PMSL team, do you typically indulge if opponents ask for extra free and back heats for the little guys (even if that means 2-3 heats that are ONLY the other team?)

Always. The last few weeks we have had a third heat that was entirely the opposing team doing 8 and under free and 4/6 of the 2nd heat was opposing teams. I think we only have 4 swimmers out of 24 swimmers in that event. I can't remember the last time the opposing team asked for more than 3 heats since we never have 12 kids swimming an event and they take up the remaining spots.

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Is there a list of pools that participate in Prince Mont somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of pools that participate in Prince Mont somewhere?

https://www.princemont.org/ - go to info - then handbook - see page 12

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of pools that participate in Prince Mont somewhere?

https://www.princemont.org/ - go to info - then handbook - see page 12

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares. I wish MCSL and PMSL would just merge, or create an east and a west.

NP - I care! How many teams are in PMSL?

Not many. 23-25. Some of the teams are TINY though

Good to know, thanks! I’m all for expanding MCSL, and if the geographic division thing reduces driving time, so much the better.

I don’t think the PrinceMont teams want to be in MCSL.

+1 -- these leagues have different histories, different rules, and different feels; they should not merge

I'd love to learn more than the PMSL website (or the MCSL one, for that matter) tells about the leagues! Talk to me.

PMSL was the first racially-integrated summer swim league in this area, and it continues to be much more diverse than MCSL -- both racially and geographically (with teams from Montgomery County, PG County, Howard County, Charles County, AA County, Calvert County, and DC). In MCSL, the teams have A meets on Saturdays and B meets on Wednesdays. That means the team is divided for meets with the better swimmers at the A meets and everyone else at the B meets. PMSL only has one meet on Saturdays with everyone together. This means PMSL meets last longer, but there's not a hierarchy/division within the team as is often the case with MCSL teams. In PMSL there's not a question each week about who is going to make the A meet.

MCSL is more competitive and intense at the upper divisions with swimmers wearing tech suits to dual meets. PMSL is generally lower key with people understanding this is summer swim and the purpose is to have fun (although there are still some very fast/competitive swimmers in the league). There's also a difference in the events swum at the meets. PMSL events include 100IM and 100 free (for 15-18) but everything else is 50s. MCSL swims 100IM, 100 free, 100 breast, 100 back + 50 fly. This means non year-round swimmers can often be more competitive in PMSL because they can swim a fast 50 fly, etc.

In MCSL, do A meet swimmers get to swim B meets too?

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares. I wish MCSL and PMSL would just merge, or create an east and a west.

Nope. We enjoy being the low key summer league. We aren't interested in A/B meets, high stress, and being cutthroat competitive....

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares. I wish MCSL and PMSL would just merge, or create an east and a west.

Nope. We enjoy being the low key summer league. We aren't interested in A/B meets, high stress, and being cutthroat competitive....

I would at least be interested in B meets. It takes a special kid to go to practice early in the morning every day for 7 weeks to be fine finishing out of the top 10 and only getting to swim back and free time and time again.

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares. I wish MCSL and PMSL would just merge, or create an east and a west.

Nope. We enjoy being the low key summer league. We aren't interested in A/B meets, high stress, and being cutthroat competitive....

I would at least be interested in B meets. It takes a special kid to go to practice early in the morning every day for 7 weeks to be fine finishing out of the top 10 and only getting to swim back and free time and time again.

Our coach lets new swimmers swim breast and fly even if they aren't 100% legal. But the team is small enough to allow us the space to put in these kids while also swimming fast/legal kids.