So are the anti car people melting this week?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

dp.. then you are not anti-car, so the comment doesn't apply to you.

NP - Do you really think there are "anti-car" people who are against all cars? That seems pretty rare.

Yes, there are, and they are prominent voices in progressive circles (and Democrats follow what progressives do these days). They think cars are inherently murderous and highways are racists and that suburbs are unpatriotic.

mm hmm. tell us more!

[Anonymous]

On days like these, I'm super grateful that I wfh permanently, and that I have remote start on my car for when I do have to drive somewhere.

I *hate* this weather.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti car person, in fact I own one. But fwiw, my ebike is my primary mode of transportation and it feels great in this heat. You'd really be surprised at how cooling it is to ride an ebike.

Of course, it cuts both ways. It feels frigid when the temps are 50 or below, IMO. That's when I'm more likely to switch back to my car, never in the summer.

Oh and another thing I love about my ebike in the summer is not having to boil to death in my car while I wait for the a/c to kick in.

Just keep an eye on that lithium ion battery on your bike. Hope it doesn’t go thermal and burn your house down as you sleep. Gotta be careful with ebikes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

dp.. then you are not anti-car, so the comment doesn't apply to you.

NP - Do you really think there are "anti-car" people who are against all cars? That seems pretty rare.

Yes, there are, and they are prominent voices in progressive circles (and Democrats follow what progressives do these days). They think cars are inherently murderous and highways are racists and that suburbs are unpatriotic.

mm hmm. tell us more!

You laugh, because you know it is true--hiding in plain sight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

I don't think many people would describe themselves as "anti car" - maybe a (vocal) minority, and you're right there's probably some amount of hypocrisy in that position. But a lot of people would like to see car dependence reduced. It doesn't have to be so black and white. If the buses and metro trains were well-maintained, air-conditioned, and ran reliably and frequently, then they would be a much better option in the heat. Or if neighborhoods were upzoned and had more dense commercial development that made for shorter walks, then that might be an option. Unfortunately they're not, and so an Uber and/or personal car is often the next best option.

IMO this whole "anti car / pro car" debate would benefit from more people on both sides recognizing the gray area.

But some are fine with status quo, and they are the only ones you are asking to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti car person, in fact I own one. But fwiw, my ebike is my primary mode of transportation and it feels great in this heat. You'd really be surprised at how cooling it is to ride an ebike.

Of course, it cuts both ways. It feels frigid when the temps are 50 or below, IMO. That's when I'm more likely to switch back to my car, never in the summer.

Oh and another thing I love about my ebike in the summer is not having to boil to death in my car while I wait for the a/c to kick in.

Just keep an eye on that lithium ion battery on your bike. Hope it doesn’t go thermal and burn your house down as you sleep. Gotta be careful with ebikes

Thanks for the reminder! We usually bring our battery inside to charge but we will be more careful in this heat.

Watch out for those car accidents, 2nd leading cause of death for kids ya know

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

dp.. then you are not anti-car, so the comment doesn't apply to you.

NP - Do you really think there are "anti-car" people who are against all cars? That seems pretty rare.

Yes, there are, and they are prominent voices in progressive circles (and Democrats follow what progressives do these days). They think cars are inherently murderous and highways are racists and that suburbs are unpatriotic.

mm hmm. tell us more!

You laugh, because you know it is true--hiding in plain sight.

yes that’s right, I believe cars are racist and suburbs are murderous 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

I don't think many people would describe themselves as "anti car" - maybe a (vocal) minority, and you're right there's probably some amount of hypocrisy in that position. But a lot of people would like to see car dependence reduced. It doesn't have to be so black and white. If the buses and metro trains were well-maintained, air-conditioned, and ran reliably and frequently, then they would be a much better option in the heat. Or if neighborhoods were upzoned and had more dense commercial development that made for shorter walks, then that might be an option. Unfortunately they're not, and so an Uber and/or personal car is often the next best option.

IMO this whole "anti car / pro car" debate would benefit from more people on both sides recognizing the gray area.

But some are fine with status quo, and they are the only ones you are asking to change.

The status quo is killing us, whether through car emissions or car accidents.

I think the biggest thing I realized when I started biking (I still do drive, regularly), is that cars are the only ones on the road who act like they own the place. Everyone else is aware of and deferential toward cars. And most drivers are totally ignorant, swerving into bike lanes quickly to get around a bus in their way, taking a right turn on a red light while barely checking if anyone is in the way, speeding around a blind corner. It's hard not to get radicalized. So it's just hard for me to swallow the "woe-is-me" act from people who are "pro car", to be honest. We should all be trying to figure out healthier and safer ways to get around - and there's room for personal car ownership in that equation as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

I don't think many people would describe themselves as "anti car" - maybe a (vocal) minority, and you're right there's probably some amount of hypocrisy in that position. But a lot of people would like to see car dependence reduced. It doesn't have to be so black and white. If the buses and metro trains were well-maintained, air-conditioned, and ran reliably and frequently, then they would be a much better option in the heat. Or if neighborhoods were upzoned and had more dense commercial development that made for shorter walks, then that might be an option. Unfortunately they're not, and so an Uber and/or personal car is often the next best option.

IMO this whole "anti car / pro car" debate would benefit from more people on both sides recognizing the gray area.

But some are fine with status quo, and they are the only ones you are asking to change.

The status quo is killing us, whether through car emissions or car accidents.

I think the biggest thing I realized when I started biking (I still do drive, regularly), is that cars are the only ones on the road who act like they own the place. Everyone else is aware of and deferential toward cars. And most drivers are totally ignorant, swerving into bike lanes quickly to get around a bus in their way, taking a right turn on a red light while barely checking if anyone is in the way, speeding around a blind corner. It's hard not to get radicalized. So it's just hard for me to swallow the "woe-is-me" act from people who are "pro car", to be honest. We should all be trying to figure out healthier and safer ways to get around - and there's room for personal car ownership in that equation as well.

All of this is your opinion. Some do not agree. Is that allowed? I guess you will say no, and people like you are increasingly running our local government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

dp.. then you are not anti-car, so the comment doesn't apply to you.

NP - Do you really think there are "anti-car" people who are against all cars? That seems pretty rare.

Yes, there are, and they are prominent voices in progressive circles (and Democrats follow what progressives do these days). They think cars are inherently murderous and highways are racists and that suburbs are unpatriotic.

mm hmm. tell us more!

You laugh, because you know it is true--hiding in plain sight.

yes that’s right, I believe cars are racist and suburbs are murderous 😂

You switched it around, was that intentional? That is not the narrative. The narrative is that highways (and suburbs) are racist and cars are murderous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

I don't think many people would describe themselves as "anti car" - maybe a (vocal) minority, and you're right there's probably some amount of hypocrisy in that position. But a lot of people would like to see car dependence reduced. It doesn't have to be so black and white. If the buses and metro trains were well-maintained, air-conditioned, and ran reliably and frequently, then they would be a much better option in the heat. Or if neighborhoods were upzoned and had more dense commercial development that made for shorter walks, then that might be an option. Unfortunately they're not, and so an Uber and/or personal car is often the next best option.

IMO this whole "anti car / pro car" debate would benefit from more people on both sides recognizing the gray area.

But some are fine with status quo, and they are the only ones you are asking to change.

The status quo is killing us, whether through car emissions or car accidents.

I think the biggest thing I realized when I started biking (I still do drive, regularly), is that cars are the only ones on the road who act like they own the place. Everyone else is aware of and deferential toward cars. And most drivers are totally ignorant, swerving into bike lanes quickly to get around a bus in their way, taking a right turn on a red light while barely checking if anyone is in the way, speeding around a blind corner. It's hard not to get radicalized. So it's just hard for me to swallow the "woe-is-me" act from people who are "pro car", to be honest. We should all be trying to figure out healthier and safer ways to get around - and there's room for personal car ownership in that equation as well.

All of this is your opinion. Some do not agree. Is that allowed? I guess you will say no, and people like you are increasingly running our local government.

I mean... of course disagreement is allowed? What does "allowed" even mean? You really are throwing quite the pity party aren't you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

Nobody would care a whit about a person who had no car, IF the carless person who orders uber/door dash would shut up about their BS sustainable choice. Because it's not, and that's fine. Just don't blow smoke up our arses.

Whether Hamid drives your single cup of coffee to your door your you do, it really doesn't matter. And no, you're not taking "a car off the road." Your insatiable thirst for a roll of tape, RIGHT NOW INSTACART, actually induced Hamid to move here from Scranton and lease a 2023 Camry and beging working for Instacart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

Nobody would care a whit about a person who had no car, IF the carless person who orders uber/door dash would shut up about their BS sustainable choice. Because it's not, and that's fine. Just don't blow smoke up our arses.

Whether Hamid drives your single cup of coffee to your door your you do, it really doesn't matter. And no, you're not taking "a car off the road." Your insatiable thirst for a roll of tape, RIGHT NOW INSTACART, actually induced Hamid to move here from Scranton and lease a 2023 Camry and beging working for Instacart.

Again, it's about LESS cars, not NO cars. You are throwing punches at air and you look like an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

Nobody would care a whit about a person who had no car, IF the carless person who orders uber/door dash would shut up about their BS sustainable choice. Because it's not, and that's fine. Just don't blow smoke up our arses.

Whether Hamid drives your single cup of coffee to your door your you do, it really doesn't matter. And no, you're not taking "a car off the road." Your insatiable thirst for a roll of tape, RIGHT NOW INSTACART, actually induced Hamid to move here from Scranton and lease a 2023 Camry and beging working for Instacart.

Again, it's about LESS cars, not NO cars. You are throwing punches at air and you look like an idiot.

Demanding less cars will affect the group who is in the category deemed to be sacrificed to the less goal, and they do not need to be happy about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you.

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)

Nobody would care a whit about a person who had no car, IF the carless person who orders uber/door dash would shut up about their BS sustainable choice. Because it's not, and that's fine. Just don't blow smoke up our arses.

Whether Hamid drives your single cup of coffee to your door your you do, it really doesn't matter. And no, you're not taking "a car off the road." Your insatiable thirst for a roll of tape, RIGHT NOW INSTACART, actually induced Hamid to move here from Scranton and lease a 2023 Camry and beging working for Instacart.

Again, it's about LESS cars, not NO cars. You are throwing punches at air and you look like an idiot.

Demanding less cars will affect the group who is in the category deemed to be sacrificed to the less goal, and they do not need to be happy about it.

Sure, probably. Those who are as extremely PRO CAR as those that are ANTI CAR - in other words, those on the extreme ends of the spectrum - will probably feel like they are losing something. But there's a huge group in the middle for whom this is not the case. Building more safe bike lanes, for example, induces a lot of people to try biking who otherwise didn't want to. For those people, who still drive a car but now also sometimes bike, these changes gave them more options and were a net positive. This is a really big portion of the population, at least in DC and the surrounding suburbs, which is why you see protected bike lanes continue to get approved. It's not because of a few extreme anti-car crazies. Maybe it was at first, and they'll probably tell you that, but the real change is coming as a result of the larger population starting to shift in that direction. If the pro-car lobby (or whatever you consider yourself) wants to somehow convince that large middle population that they have something to gain from opposing bicycle infrastructure, they can by all means go ahead. Your problem is that you're on the losing side of a game of tug of war.