CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

so if a second grader read something anti lgbt you’d be upset if anyone interrupts?

Given that I am adult, I would hold myself to adult standards of behavior. I guess your mileage must vary. If I was offended by a 2nd grader, I would first question my sanity and then, in the worst imaginable case, complain to the principal.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

Was the 2nd grader calling for jihad?

Would it matter if he or she were? Really, are you so threatened by second graders that you think heckling them is justified?

[Anonymous]

Note that that CAIR official who commented on this is Zainab Chaudry, the person on the hate crime commission that made antisemitic comments
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[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

Was the 2nd grader calling for jihad?

Would it matter if he or she were? Really, are you so threatened by second graders that you think heckling them is justified?

Would you think a student would deserve to be disciplined if they did? If not then how can you say don’t heckle them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

The poem was presumably vetted by the PTA or the administration. Further, you may not like CAIR but they are savvy political operators. They would not be setting this case alongside the attempted drowning of a Palestinian child in Texas if the poem were "calling for the destruction of Israel."

Does the PTA vet poems and readings from international night? I truly don’t know. Is the school by school? I have never heard of the PTA approving material for international night.

I doubt they would have time or personnel to vet anything being performed for international night. These programs are usually run by a small group of volunteers.

[Anonymous]

Would it be okay at an event like this for someone to say the PRC should conquer Taiwan?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

Was the 2nd grader calling for jihad?

Would it matter if he or she were? Really, are you so threatened by second graders that you think heckling them is justified?

Of course. You,act like the 2nd grader chose the poem instead of the poem most likely being chosen by a teacher parent, or some other adult who wanted their views verbalized though the protection of a child. You,act like the cold was up there alone instead of being cheered from the sidelines by anti-Israel zealots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would it be okay at an event like this for someone to say the PRC should conquer Taiwan?

Hate crime against Taiwanese. Deserving of cancellation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

Why can't they refer to the actual poem? We can't assume that the people doing the heckling were bullies or bigots because we don't know what words in that poem were being said. A lot of people heckled Trump for the terrible things he would say in public; and barely anyone batted an eye. Words have meaning and power.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

Was the 2nd grader calling for jihad?

Would it matter if he or she were? Really, are you so threatened by second graders that you think heckling them is justified?

Of course. You,act like the 2nd grader chose the poem instead of the poem most likely being chosen by a teacher parent, or some other adult who wanted their views verbalized though the protection of a child. You,act like the cold was up there alone instead of being cheered from the sidelines by anti-Israel zealots.

Wow, worst answer possible among a long list of terrible possible answers. So you would admittedly humiliate a 2nd grader over something for which you recognize they are not to blame? Clearly, your self control would not allow you to behave responsibly so maybe you can seek anger management assistance to address that problem. Obviously, if a child read an inappropriate poem there are not of alternatives available to adults that don't involve publicly humiliating a child. You can, for instance, take it up with the parent. You could complain to the teacher or complain to the principal. Pick on someone your own size as they say. But, I guess you think 2nd graders are fair game. Hopefully, if you have small children, they will not encounter adults who share your view.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

Why can't they refer to the actual poem? We can't assume that the people doing the heckling were bullies or bigots because we don't know what words in that poem were being said. A lot of people heckled Trump for the terrible things he would say in public; and barely anyone batted an eye. Words have meaning and power.

I agree that your comparison with Trump to a 2nd grader is valid. Your suggestion that heckling a 2nd grader is justified is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

Why can't they refer to the actual poem? We can't assume that the people doing the heckling were bullies or bigots because we don't know what words in that poem were being said. A lot of people heckled Trump for the terrible things he would say in public; and barely anyone batted an eye. Words have meaning and power.

Why can't you entertain for just a second that maybe an adult behaved badly? Islamophobia exists, just as do other forms of bigotry. It amazes me that folks on this board seem so ready to just assume a child was calling for jihad, rather than considering that maybe the adult was the one out of line. Moreover, it's painful to see that what appears to have been a child actually trying to share his culture ended in him being made to feel like his was the only culture that could not be recognized.

Look at this quote from the mom of the child who was publicly embarrassed. How can you not feel for them?

"I wish more people would come and talk to us. And ask us questions. Break the stereotypes about us and come and talk to us. We are not bad people.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

Please stop using the term "islamophobic" or its variants. It isn't just fear, but hate and bias. We don't say Semitiphobia for hatred against Jews, and we shouldn't say homophobia for hatred either. The correct terms should be things like "anti-islamic hate or bias" and "anti-homosexual hate or bias." Let's be clear that there is a difference between just fearing somebody (phobia) and hating somebody or being biased.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.

what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?

Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?

so if a second grader read something anti lgbt you’d be upset if anyone interrupts?

Given that I am adult, I would hold myself to adult standards of behavior. I guess your mileage must vary. If I was offended by a 2nd grader, I would first question my sanity and then, in the worst imaginable case, complain to the principal.

Pretend the child read a passage from a book by Clayton Bigsby. Would you sit quietly and show how tolerant you are of horrible racism or would you screech loudly to express your disdain. I'm guessing option 2.

No, I would never stoop so low as to publicly humiliate a 2nd grader. Do you people who are in favor of heckling 2nd graders hear yourselves? Everyone has lots of "what ifs". What if this, what if that. What if it was your kid? What if your kid was doing something you thought was perfectly find and another parent disagreed? How would feel about an adult attacking them?

[Anonymous]

Freedom of speech. That said, if this child were reading something to incite hatred on either side I would have spoken up.
Clearly, I am in the minority and believe Israel has every right to defend itself.