Title IX Compliance by your school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not an optional thing. Get the numbers even.

From the list above you can add to the girls’ side (with the 2022/23 numbers of participants)

1. Flag football - (20,875)
2. Bowling (27,454)
3. Competitive cheer (149,694)
4. Hockey (8,601)
5. Girls’ wrestling (50,016)
6. Water polo (18,728)
7. Weight lifting (11,134)
8. Competitive dance (37,025)
9. Ski/snowboard (9,238)

There are many others played in various States. All of the above have completion rules in place in multiple states.

As for numbers - grab the yearbook and make a count or, look on line if your school still has the teams posted.

Where do the numbers stand?

What’s about your school?

Which one and where does it stand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not an optional thing. Get the numbers even.

From the list above you can add to the girls’ side (with the 2022/23 numbers of participants)

1. Flag football - (20,875)
2. Bowling (27,454)
3. Competitive cheer (149,694)
4. Hockey (8,601)
5. Girls’ wrestling (50,016)
6. Water polo (18,728)
7. Weight lifting (11,134)
8. Competitive dance (37,025)
9. Ski/snowboard (9,238)

There are many others played in various States. All of the above have completion rules in place in multiple states.

As for numbers - grab the yearbook and make a count or, look on line if your school still has the teams posted.

Where do the numbers stand?

I already had hockey and girls can join the wrestling team. It's technically co-ed. My son wrestled and I'm extremely supportive of girls in wrestling (and I think more girls would probably do it if they could be guaranteed to only wrestle girls and not boys.)

Yes, my kid's school also has competitve dance, but I thought that was more of a "performance art" than a "sport."

I'd love to see water polo, for both boys and girls. I grew up in southern CA and we had a water polo team. Schools in our district do not have their own pools and swim teams have to travel to shared pools in our area (I'm not even sure which specific pool our team goes to because my kid didn't swim) and there's no way these local pools will be able to fit in even more high school athletic practices. I don't see building more school pools a priority for our district any time soon.

Ski/snowboard? As a high school team around here? There is nowhere to ski/snowboard realistically close.

My kid is still sleeping and I'll ask if I can look at his yearbook when he wakes, but if he says no I'm going to respect his privacy.

[Anonymous]

The problem with counting number of actual participating athletes instead of number of sports available, is boys are being penalized for what girls choose to do (or not do.)
You could offer 50 sports to girls, but if girls aren't interested in doing them, you take away more boys sports?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with counting number of actual participating athletes instead of number of sports available, is boys are being penalized for what girls choose to do (or not do.)
You could offer 50 sports to girls, but if girls aren't interested in doing them, you take away more boys sports?

The law requires you to count the athletes. So count the athletes. Your excuse about girls not wanting to play sports is - as you already know - complete crap. It is also what was said when Title IX was passed. Girls have proven over and over and over again that if given the chance - they grab the opportunity.

Does your kid’s high school comply with the law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with counting number of actual participating athletes instead of number of sports available, is boys are being penalized for what girls choose to do (or not do.)
You could offer 50 sports to girls, but if girls aren't interested in doing them, you take away more boys sports?

The law requires you to count the athletes. So count the athletes. Your excuse about girls not wanting to play sports is - as you already know - complete crap. It is also what was said when Title IX was passed. Girls have proven over and over and over again that if given the chance - they grab the opportunity.

Does your kid’s high school comply with the law?

I have no idea. I'm not going to count every single person in every single athletic photo in my kid's year book. That would take hours. Yearbooks aren't always 100% correct anyway.

There are plenty of opportunities for girls, much more than boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

[Anonymous]

You wanna fight it mate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it the number of athletes? I thought it was the number of teams/sports.
So "Girls Volleyball" is one sport, whether there are 15 girls playing or 45...Varsity team, JV, etc.

Some sports just require more people on a team (like football.)

No it’s bodies. Football totally screws over other men’s sports because it takes so many slots.

Is it strictly a body count? At our HS there are major discrepancies in the facilities for boys and girls.

It's both

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

As long as there are no school sports on the fields, the county is fine. If they have MS sports on those fields, they would be in violation of title IX because you can't use booster organizations to get around the law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

100% accurate but 0% relevant. The discussion is about high school facilities, not little league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

Softball league board member here. Not sure what softball league you are talking about but for us the bolded is total cr*p.

Our league adopted two fields at a complex while a baseball league adopted the other two. So we do the same maintenance the baseball league does (grass, add infield mix, etc). Guess which fields the county is willing to light? Baseball's assigned fields, while we, despite a heavy lobbying campaign, get nothing.

We have our own tractor and shed at some other fields (also adopted) where the county literally took half of them with barely any warning and certainly not with asking. We're not sure if we even get the ones they took back and what the county is doing there has made it impossible for us to maintain the fields they left us.

Our county has put out a report showing that girls softball gets allocated fewer fields compared to the percentage of girls playing the sport overall than baseball does. But they aren't doing anything about it except ruining the only good softball complex in the county with a bad renovation job that every area league hates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

Softball league board member here. Not sure what softball league you are talking about but for us the bolded is total cr*p.

Our league adopted two fields at a complex while a baseball league adopted the other two. So we do the same maintenance the baseball league does (grass, add infield mix, etc). Guess which fields the county is willing to light? Baseball's assigned fields, while we, despite a heavy lobbying campaign, get nothing.

We have our own tractor and shed at some other fields (also adopted) where the county literally took half of them with barely any warning and certainly not with asking. We're not sure if we even get the ones they took back and what the county is doing there has made it impossible for us to maintain the fields they left us.

Our county has put out a report showing that girls softball gets allocated fewer fields compared to the percentage of girls playing the sport overall than baseball does. But they aren't doing anything about it except ruining the only good softball complex in the county with a bad renovation job that every area league hates.

Have you addressed this with your county supervisor? All of the parents in the league should be addressing it with their county supervisor.
How about calling a local news reporter and asking them to do a story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

Softball league board member here. Not sure what softball league you are talking about but for us the bolded is total cr*p.

Our league adopted two fields at a complex while a baseball league adopted the other two. So we do the same maintenance the baseball league does (grass, add infield mix, etc). Guess which fields the county is willing to light? Baseball's assigned fields, while we, despite a heavy lobbying campaign, get nothing.

We have our own tractor and shed at some other fields (also adopted) where the county literally took half of them with barely any warning and certainly not with asking. We're not sure if we even get the ones they took back and what the county is doing there has made it impossible for us to maintain the fields they left us.

Our county has put out a report showing that girls softball gets allocated fewer fields compared to the percentage of girls playing the sport overall than baseball does. But they aren't doing anything about it except ruining the only good softball complex in the county with a bad renovation job that every area league hates.

Get a lawyer. Title IX may not apply, but there are other laws covering gender discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

I recently heard this complaint leveled at our MS. There is no MS baseball or softball teams, but the fields are used by local leagues. The baseball league actually has established a relationship with the county to maintain the fields. Parents donated a lawn tractor and the league pays for the gas, built a small shed to house the tractor and equipment to store it. The baseball field does not have enclosed or covered dugouts. At the beginning of each season volunteers help trim the weeds along the field fences, fill and roll out wheel barrels full of dirt bought by league to fill low areas of the field and the mound.

The softball field has a cinder block dugouts which have gates to deter people from wandering over to players in the dugout. I assume they like the baseball teams drag their field after games. They do nothing else to help with facilities / field maintenance. 🤷‍♀️ They complain that it is unfair and against Title IX that the baseball field is in better shape. We’ve shared what the baseball league does, but they do not feel they should have to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

I’m sharing this only because sometimes the perception of favoritism towards boys sports is not the reality.

Not sure what to do about lower girl participation — is it always because there aren’t enough opportunities (teams)? Is the count by spots or the number of unique players? In other words, do you count multi-sport athletes just once or do you count all the spots regardless of whether you have some of the same individuals in multiple sports?

Softball league board member here. Not sure what softball league you are talking about but for us the bolded is total cr*p.

Our league adopted two fields at a complex while a baseball league adopted the other two. So we do the same maintenance the baseball league does (grass, add infield mix, etc). Guess which fields the county is willing to light? Baseball's assigned fields, while we, despite a heavy lobbying campaign, get nothing.

We have our own tractor and shed at some other fields (also adopted) where the county literally took half of them with barely any warning and certainly not with asking. We're not sure if we even get the ones they took back and what the county is doing there has made it impossible for us to maintain the fields they left us.

Our county has put out a report showing that girls softball gets allocated fewer fields compared to the percentage of girls playing the sport overall than baseball does. But they aren't doing anything about it except ruining the only good softball complex in the county with a bad renovation job that every area league hates.

Have you addressed this with your county supervisor? All of the parents in the league should be addressing it with their county supervisor.
How about calling a local news reporter and asking them to do a story?

PP here. My county supervisor is sick of hearing from me. League is working on as many other avenues as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with counting number of actual participating athletes instead of number of sports available, is boys are being penalized for what girls choose to do (or not do.)
You could offer 50 sports to girls, but if girls aren't interested in doing them, you take away more boys sports?

The law requires you to count the athletes. So count the athletes. Your excuse about girls not wanting to play sports is - as you already know - complete crap. It is also what was said when Title IX was passed. Girls have proven over and over and over again that if given the chance - they grab the opportunity.

Does your kid’s high school comply with the law?

I have no idea. I'm not going to count every single person in every single athletic photo in my kid's year book. That would take hours. Yearbooks aren't always 100% correct anyway.

Or, in other words, I don't want to take 20 minutes to find out my kid's school complies with the longstanding law. (Hint - it doesn't) But, know you are part of the problem in happily allowing ongoing discrimination against women/girls.





There are plenty of opportunities for girls, much more than boys.