Title IX Compliance by your school

[Anonymous]

With yearbooks having just been distributed it is fairly easy to asses if your kid’s school is in compliance with Title IX with respect to sports participation.

Add up all the boys playing a freshmen, junior varsity and varsity sport, and do the same for the girls. Do not include activities that are not official “sports” (sideline cheer is not a sport, competitive cheer is a sport), intramural activities are not “sports”, but athletic contests that do not have official “state championships” can be sports (crew and water polo are pretty common examples).

Do the numbers come out equal or not? How equal do you have to be? Pretty darn close. The Federal Sixth Circuit Court recently held Michigan State’s feet to the fire - requiring the college to establish another women’s sport when the count showed 18 more men athletes than women athletes.

How is your kid’s high school doing?

[Anonymous]

If you think they're falling short, there are contingency firms happy to take these cases.

[Anonymous]

Is it the number of athletes? I thought it was the number of teams/sports.
So "Girls Volleyball" is one sport, whether there are 15 girls playing or 45...Varsity team, JV, etc.

Some sports just require more people on a team (like football.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it the number of athletes? I thought it was the number of teams/sports.
So "Girls Volleyball" is one sport, whether there are 15 girls playing or 45...Varsity team, JV, etc.

Some sports just require more people on a team (like football.)

No it’s bodies. Football totally screws over other men’s sports because it takes so many slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it the number of athletes? I thought it was the number of teams/sports.
So "Girls Volleyball" is one sport, whether there are 15 girls playing or 45...Varsity team, JV, etc.

Some sports just require more people on a team (like football.)

No it’s bodies. Football totally screws over other men’s sports because it takes so many slots.

That’s messed up.

[Anonymous]

Football players are pigs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it the number of athletes? I thought it was the number of teams/sports.
So "Girls Volleyball" is one sport, whether there are 15 girls playing or 45...Varsity team, JV, etc.

Some sports just require more people on a team (like football.)

No it’s bodies. Football totally screws over other men’s sports because it takes so many slots.

Is it strictly a body count? At our HS there are major discrepancies in the facilities for boys and girls.

[Anonymous]

Football is technically coed. How does that work if few to no girls try out for the team. I know there are a couple on the varsity team at our local HS. I don’t really understand how it counts against the male to female ratio when girls are not trying out. I’m a mom to a son and a daughter and don’t see the issue here.

[Anonymous]

Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

The softball fields are nowhere close in quality to the baseball fields in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

But "opportunities" isn't necessarily the same as how many students actually participate. If a particular school just has fewer girls interested in participating in sports one year, the school is required to cut boys sports? That's messed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

But "opportunities" isn't necessarily the same as how many students actually participate. If a particular school just has fewer girls interested in participating in sports one year, the school is required to cut boys sports? That's messed up.

Yes. Title IX is 52 years old this year. Schools have had 52 years to equalize opportunities. When Title was passed - the numbers were; boys 3,666,917, girls 294,975. For the 2022-23 school year the numbers were, boys 4,529,795 and girls 3,318,184.

Add sports for girls. Cut sports for boys. Do both. It will be amazing how fast sports get added if you say - got to cut boys sports. But — where are your kid’s high school’s numbers at?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

But "opportunities" isn't necessarily the same as how many students actually participate. If a particular school just has fewer girls interested in participating in sports one year, the school is required to cut boys sports? That's messed up.

Yes. Title IX is 52 years old this year. Schools have had 52 years to equalize opportunities. When Title was passed - the numbers were; boys 3,666,917, girls 294,975. For the 2022-23 school year the numbers were, boys 4,529,795 and girls 3,318,184.

Add sports for girls. Cut sports for boys. Do both. It will be amazing how fast sports get added if you say - got to cut boys sports. But — where are your kid’s high school’s numbers at?

What I am typing applies to my kid's (public, VA) school.

But simply "adding sports for girls and cutting sports for boys" doesn't make sense, doesn't necessarily benefit many (if any) girls, and hurts a lot of boys.

What "sports for girls" should be added? Every boys sport either has a girl sport counterpart, or girls are allowed to participate on the boys team.
Boys/Girls soccer teams, Boys/Girls XC, Boys/Girls swim, Boys/Girls Track, Boys/Girls LAX, Boys/Girls golf, Boys/Girls Tennis, Boys/Girls basketball.
Boys baseball/Girls softball
Girls can, and have, participated in football and wrestling.

Meanwhile there are already SEVERAL "girl sports" that do not have a boy sport counterpart, and boys are not allowed to participate on the girls team (volleyball, gymnastics, field hockey.)

So a school is supposed to cut boys basketball and add....what? A girls curling team? What if no girls WANT to join a curling team? Oh well, boys still aren't allowed to play basketball AND we cut baseball to make it "fair?"

And at this time I only know the sports available at my kid's school, not the number of athletes on each team, because it's summer and this year's rosters haven't been made yet, and last year's have been deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title ix does require equal levels of facilities. So, if the baseball field has covered dugouts then the softball field has to have covered dugouts.

But - this question really is focused on where are the numbers. It’s not an option to have fewer girls athletic opportunities. It’s a legal requirement to have equal opportunities. So - if you do a count - where do you come out?
Count the kids up.

But "opportunities" isn't necessarily the same as how many students actually participate. If a particular school just has fewer girls interested in participating in sports one year, the school is required to cut boys sports? That's messed up.

Yes. Title IX is 52 years old this year. Schools have had 52 years to equalize opportunities. When Title was passed - the numbers were; boys 3,666,917, girls 294,975. For the 2022-23 school year the numbers were, boys 4,529,795 and girls 3,318,184.

Add sports for girls. Cut sports for boys. Do both. It will be amazing how fast sports get added if you say - got to cut boys sports. But — where are your kid’s high school’s numbers at?

What I am typing applies to my kid's (public, VA) school.

But simply "adding sports for girls and cutting sports for boys" doesn't make sense, doesn't necessarily benefit many (if any) girls, and hurts a lot of boys.

What "sports for girls" should be added? Every boys sport either has a girl sport counterpart, or girls are allowed to participate on the boys team.
Boys/Girls soccer teams, Boys/Girls XC, Boys/Girls swim, Boys/Girls Track, Boys/Girls LAX, Boys/Girls golf, Boys/Girls Tennis, Boys/Girls basketball.
Boys baseball/Girls softball
Girls can, and have, participated in football and wrestling.

Meanwhile there are already SEVERAL "girl sports" that do not have a boy sport counterpart, and boys are not allowed to participate on the girls team (volleyball, gymnastics, field hockey.)

So a school is supposed to cut boys basketball and add....what? A girls curling team? What if no girls WANT to join a curling team? Oh well, boys still aren't allowed to play basketball AND we cut baseball to make it "fair?"

And at this time I only know the sports available at my kid's school, not the number of athletes on each team, because it's summer and this year's rosters haven't been made yet, and last year's have been deleted.

This is my question too. I originally posted about girls playing football. Not many do but some are on the team every year. My son always tells my daughter she should play because she would get a lot of playing time for publicity. She doesn’t have any interest. She doesn’t want to wrestling or be on a girls curling team if you added that. I really don’t think cutting boys sports is the answer here.

[Anonymous]

It’s not an optional thing. Get the numbers even.

From the list above you can add to the girls’ side (with the 2022/23 numbers of participants)

1. Flag football - (20,875)
2. Bowling (27,454)
3. Competitive cheer (149,694)
4. Hockey (8,601)
5. Girls’ wrestling (50,016)
6. Water polo (18,728)
7. Weight lifting (11,134)
8. Competitive dance (37,025)
9. Ski/snowboard (9,238)

There are many others played in various States. All of the above have completion rules in place in multiple states.

As for numbers - grab the yearbook and make a count or, look on line if your school still has the teams posted.

Where do the numbers stand?