Level 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child got a notification for Level 3 services. The email itself is vague as to what it is. Is that just the one hour a week pullout? Would they send a separate email for advanced math placement?

Our notification was also vague, so I followed up with our AART. My takeaways:

1. The Level 3 pull-outs are generally one hour per week, but could be more or less. Level 3 encompasses all subjects. I view it as "creative learning" time similar to Level 2 pull-outs, but on a more consistent basis.
2. The other factor for Level 3 is clustering. The school will try to place a small group cohort of Level 3 kids in each class -- meaning that the teacher can also differentiate lesson plans and give "advanced" work to that group.
3. Advanced math is a separate thing from Level 3. It will be based on a pre-test at the start of the year, teacher recommendations and other data (perhaps i-ready scores?). I gather that the group selected for Advanced Math won't start meeting until week 3 or 4 or so of the new school year. Advanced math means that all of the kids who qualify will "switch classes" for math time, and advanced math will be taught by one designated teacher. You would think that many Level 3 kids would also qualify for advanced math, but it is a separate process.

I’m not contradicting you, but our AART said that it’s progressive, meaning that L3 services include at least what you’d get in L2. It’s intended for kids that “need” advanced academic instruction in all core subjects vs. just the subject- specific differentiation that comes with L2. In other words, L3 includes advanced math. Wonder which one is accurate?

In my opinion, math is really the only one that makes a difference. Everything else is tinsel.

[Anonymous]

I asked our AART how to apply for L3 earlier in the spring. We are at a competitive center school. She said that the cutoff would be set after the L4 appeals were released and then L3 decisions would be made/ released. I got the sense that this was based on test-scores, but also teacher feedback? There are L3 parent referral forms on the FCPS website with generic "May-timeframe" statements (as opposed to the very regimented AAP L4 timelines.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We got our notification this morning letting us know our son got in.

Level 4 or 3?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child got a notification for Level 3 services. The email itself is vague as to what it is. Is that just the one hour a week pullout? Would they send a separate email for advanced math placement?

Our notification was also vague, so I followed up with our AART. My takeaways:

1. The Level 3 pull-outs are generally one hour per week, but could be more or less. Level 3 encompasses all subjects. I view it as "creative learning" time similar to Level 2 pull-outs, but on a more consistent basis.
2. The other factor for Level 3 is clustering. The school will try to place a small group cohort of Level 3 kids in each class -- meaning that the teacher can also differentiate lesson plans and give "advanced" work to that group.
3. Advanced math is a separate thing from Level 3. It will be based on a pre-test at the start of the year, teacher recommendations and other data (perhaps i-ready scores?). I gather that the group selected for Advanced Math won't start meeting until week 3 or 4 or so of the new school year. Advanced math means that all of the kids who qualify will "switch classes" for math time, and advanced math will be taught by one designated teacher. You would think that many Level 3 kids would also qualify for advanced math, but it is a separate process.

I’m not contradicting you, but our AART said that it’s progressive, meaning that L3 services include at least what you’d get in L2. It’s intended for kids that “need” advanced academic instruction in all core subjects vs. just the subject- specific differentiation that comes with L2. In other words, L3 includes advanced math. Wonder which one is accurate?

In my opinion, math is really the only one that makes a difference. Everything else is tinsel.

I agree. I didn't realize that Advanced Math is not the same thing as Level III. I specifically mentioned Advanced Math when I sent in my parent referral for LIII and was told we'd find out about Level III "by the end of the school year". The AART didn't mention that Advanced Math wouldn't be decided until the next school year. Why aren't they more transparent about this stuff? I really only care about advanced math - all the other stuff (plus, minus, interesting, encapsulation, Jacob's ladder, socratic seminar, blah blah) is not really important or helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked our AART how to apply for L3 earlier in the spring. We are at a competitive center school. She said that the cutoff would be set after the L4 appeals were released and then L3 decisions would be made/ released. I got the sense that this was based on test-scores, but also teacher feedback? There are L3 parent referral forms on the FCPS website with generic "May-timeframe" statements (as opposed to the very regimented AAP L4 timelines.)

That's odd. Parent referrals for Level III were due April 15th. Maybe your school does things differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child got a notification for Level 3 services. The email itself is vague as to what it is. Is that just the one hour a week pullout? Would they send a separate email for advanced math placement?

Our notification was also vague, so I followed up with our AART. My takeaways:

1. The Level 3 pull-outs are generally one hour per week, but could be more or less. Level 3 encompasses all subjects. I view it as "creative learning" time similar to Level 2 pull-outs, but on a more consistent basis.
2. The other factor for Level 3 is clustering. The school will try to place a small group cohort of Level 3 kids in each class -- meaning that the teacher can also differentiate lesson plans and give "advanced" work to that group.
3. Advanced math is a separate thing from Level 3. It will be based on a pre-test at the start of the year, teacher recommendations and other data (perhaps i-ready scores?). I gather that the group selected for Advanced Math won't start meeting until week 3 or 4 or so of the new school year. Advanced math means that all of the kids who qualify will "switch classes" for math time, and advanced math will be taught by one designated teacher. You would think that many Level 3 kids would also qualify for advanced math, but it is a separate process.

I’m not contradicting you, but our AART said that it’s progressive, meaning that L3 services include at least what you’d get in L2. It’s intended for kids that “need” advanced academic instruction in all core subjects vs. just the subject- specific differentiation that comes with L2. In other words, L3 includes advanced math. Wonder which one is accurate?

Both Level II and Level III are subjective and varying depending on the student and school services available; and therefore, schools will independently implement them differently. I'd go off of whatever the local AART says over experiences here, unless the poster references the school...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I asked our AART how to apply for L3 earlier in the spring. We are at a competitive center school. She said that the cutoff would be set after the L4 appeals were released and then L3 decisions would be made/ released. I got the sense that this was based on test-scores, but also teacher feedback? There are L3 parent referral forms on the FCPS website with generic "May-timeframe" statements (as opposed to the very regimented AAP L4 timelines.)

That's odd. Parent referrals for Level III were due April 15th. Maybe your school does things differently?

LIII is fluid at our school. Kids are added as the year goes on. Some kids drop out for a variety of reasons.

LII is a joke, it is extra worksheets and a special reading group.

[Anonymous]

I received level 3 and Advanced Math acceptance letters last week for my 2nd-grade child. We recently relocated to the FCPS district in the middle of the school year, so my child had missed 2nd grade AAP testing and was evaluated for level 3. As for Advanced Math, I didn’t find my child’s first & only iReady score high, but her grades are good. I’m curious to see the iReady scores in May, then we’ll decide about the level 4 application in the fall since my child is eligible for the “retake” of CogAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I received level 3 and Advanced Math acceptance letters last week for my 2nd-grade child. We recently relocated to the FCPS district in the middle of the school year, so my child had missed 2nd grade AAP testing and was evaluated for level 3. As for Advanced Math, I didn’t find my child’s first & only iReady score high, but her grades are good. I’m curious to see the iReady scores in May, then we’ll decide about the level 4 application in the fall since my child is eligible for the “retake” of CogAT.

What school? I would love if people who have received Level 3 notifications could say what school. I promise you we won't be able to tell who you are. Nobody will know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I received level 3 and Advanced Math acceptance letters last week for my 2nd-grade child. We recently relocated to the FCPS district in the middle of the school year, so my child had missed 2nd grade AAP testing and was evaluated for level 3. As for Advanced Math, I didn’t find my child’s first & only iReady score high, but her grades are good. I’m curious to see the iReady scores in May, then we’ll decide about the level 4 application in the fall since my child is eligible for the “retake” of CogAT.

What school? I would love if people who have received Level 3 notifications could say what school. I promise you we won't be able to tell who you are. Nobody will know.

I find it puzzling why some people are so conservative about sharing certain types of information. Especially since it’s nearly impossible to track every reply back to an individual, even Sherlock Holmes would struggle with just the name of a school! yesterday the school sent an envelope home with my child for Level 3 and guess what ? The school is Spring Hill . Now are you able to know my kid between maybe more than 300 kids 😅

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I received level 3 and Advanced Math acceptance letters last week for my 2nd-grade child. We recently relocated to the FCPS district in the middle of the school year, so my child had missed 2nd grade AAP testing and was evaluated for level 3. As for Advanced Math, I didn’t find my child’s first & only iReady score high, but her grades are good. I’m curious to see the iReady scores in May, then we’ll decide about the level 4 application in the fall since my child is eligible for the “retake” of CogAT.

What school? I would love if people who have received Level 3 notifications could say what school. I promise you we won't be able to tell who you are. Nobody will know.

I find it puzzling why some people are so conservative about sharing certain types of information. Especially since it’s nearly impossible to track every reply back to an individual, even Sherlock Holmes would struggle with just the name of a school! yesterday the school sent an envelope home with my child for Level 3 and guess what ? The school is Spring Hill . Now are you able to know my kid between maybe more than 300 kids 😅

Susan, is it you???

Just kidding, I don't know anybody at that school

[Anonymous]

Why don't they tell us which subject our kid is being pulled out for? We just got the invitation to level III services but no indication on which subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they tell us which subject our kid is being pulled out for? We just got the invitation to level III services but no indication on which subject.

I was told by the AART at our school that Level III is not subject-based (unlike Level II). It is a holistic, creative, outside-the-box thinking time for every subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they tell us which subject our kid is being pulled out for? We just got the invitation to level III services but no indication on which subject.

I was told by the AART at our school that Level III is not subject-based (unlike Level II). It is a holistic, creative, outside-the-box thinking time for every subject.

That seems so weird. DC is really strong at math and scored extremely high on the cogat/nnat but struggles with reading/slow processing so of course not a good fit for level 4. I wonder what level 3 is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they tell us which subject our kid is being pulled out for? We just got the invitation to level III services but no indication on which subject.

I was told by the AART at our school that Level III is not subject-based (unlike Level II). It is a holistic, creative, outside-the-box thinking time for every subject.

That seems so weird. DC is really strong at math and scored extremely high on the cogat/nnat but struggles with reading/slow processing so of course not a good fit for level 4. I wonder what level 3 is.

At our school, a pull out once a month or so to do a worksheet.