What percentage of kids get into gifted and talented programs?
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Anonymous
| My understanding is that kids identified as GT for math get to do compacted math in 4th grade. And that students are sorted into 2 different reading levels. |
Anonymous
| The central review process that results in the magnet lottery is different than the Gifted identification process. It needs to be explained that Gifted identification is not a badge of honor nor ego boost for parents but should be used to identify students that need different supports. There is a reason that it is place under Special Education. If people understood that Giftedness comes with its own burdens they would temper their behavior. |
Anonymous
Nope Those are different and unrelated processes |
Anonymous
+1. CM determinations are made at the end of 3rd and have nothing to do with the SIPPI process. |
Anonymous
| GT ID in grade 2 literally changes nothing in MCPS. You need MAP scores in grade 3 for CES lottery and for access to ELC and compacted math, and fall MAP scores and Q1 grades in grade 5 for access to criteria MS lotteries. That's literally it for ES. The rest is noise, and enrichment is all improvisatory anyway. Don't sweat it, and concentrate instead on advocating for good classroom placement and good teachers. |
Anonymous
+1. Plus, it being a lottery, there are no guarantees anyway. And we know two kids who went to CES and switched back to their home school mid-year! It can be really tough socially. FWIW, DS was identified as GT in 2nd grade, but did not make the cutoff in 3rd for the CES program. (As far as we could tell there was no enrichment in anything in 2nd or 3rd grades.) DS did, however, do compacted math and ELC in 4th, and really flourished. The math was no surprise, DS has tested 99% on every MAP-M since kindergarten with no formal outside enrichment, but we were surprised he made the cutoff for ELC given that he has always hated to write, and really surprised at how great it was for him. It really challenged him and, unlike past years, he enjoyed the challenge. Hoping he stays in that class for 5th grade. Anyway, just chiming in to say that GT is not the end-all and be-all. I have another kid who I expect is more likely to make the cutoff for CES in a couple years because her strengths are reading and writing, but after DS's experience with ELC, I am not sure I would send her even if she got through lottery. Not for academic reasons, at least. Maybe social reasons, if it seems like a change would be good, but I have no reason at present to think it would be, and we like the home school despite overcrowding. If your home school is not a good environment, I could see pushing harder to switch. |
Anonymous
| The 2nd grade GT identification is a state requirement, and it’s totally separate from any of the magnet or enrichment selection processes in MCPS. It’s just to make sure kids don’t fall through the cracks. |
Anonymous
| I was surprised my child was identified. She is motivated student and likes to learn. She seems to be able to do her homework with little to no assistance and learned to read easily. Bright, smart and a good test taker. BUT, I would not say she is gifted. |
Anonymous
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Well OP imagine how you’d feel if your child was identified but didn’t win a lottery spot. That’s the spot we’re in and it sucks.
I really wish they took top scores because then she would definitely have been picked. |
Anonymous
Agree. In Pennsylvania, identified kids have gifted IEPs to support the very different learning needs. |
Anonymous
No clue. One of my kids was selected for this. The other who has 99% on both MAP-M and MAP-R was not. When I asked about it, I found out one of the two tests used for this was given by a sub who didn't perform testing correctly. The actual teacher could've weighed in but was told they didn't believe in these things. Anyway point is it really won't make any difference even though it's annoying. |
Anonymous
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It won't make a difference as long as there is no onhoing communication with the school and teacher. Ask them about identification. Ask them the specifics. What is being employed that provides the differential, enriched education required under Maryland law for GT-identified students? Read the statute so you know what should be expected, but be prepared to accept their explanations, if reasonable, even though they might not be entirely as anticipated/hoped.
There is curricular material that MCPS has in hand for this. Local schools have many challenges, though, and it's when families don't communicate/request the specifics that this tends to slip through. It's a shame that MCPS upper brass feels negatively toward appropriately meeting GT need, and that that attitude, combined with general under-resourcing, enables the local school negligence. |
Anonymous
| 2nd grade GT identification in MCPS changes exactly nothing. It has nothing to do with CES, compacted math, ELC, MS criteria magnets, specific homeroom assignments beyond the way your individual ES articulates, or anything else. And enrichment is almost impossible/nonexistent in most classes, especially because most class sizes jump larger in 3rd and 4th grade. It's OK to be GT identified and it's OK to be not. Just watch for any hidden academic or learning issues that the evaluation might have revealed, and let the rest roll off. |
Anonymous
You need a GT label to take certain classes at outside, enrichment institutions. |
Anonymous
So.... My kids were "gifted" MCPS we never once did "outside, enrichment" |