How many people are getting sick of Takoma Park's high taxes and city gov't spending the city into the ground?

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

Do you live in the City of Takoma Park? Have you considered moving somewhere else? It sounds like you might be happier if you did that.

+1. OP you should move. Takoma park is full of loons, is in a declining county, is next to high crime areas. Of all places that are good to live, it isn’t one of them.

You, too, might be happier if you moved out of the City of Takoma Park, or indeed out of Montgomery County altogether.

Is this the Progressive counterpoint to “love it or leave it” MAGAism?

No, it's pointing out that if you're unhappy where you live, one option is to go live somewhere else. Nobody is telling anybody to feel anything or go anywhere.

Oh. So it’s passive aggressive Progressive MAGAism. How apropos!

Can't even keep the mask on for 5 minutes while pretending to be a local concerned about local issues.

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Anonymous wrote:If the area can't support a hospital I have no idea how it will support luxury condos.

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

The city roads can't handle the added traffic from developments like this. Getting out of TP via Carroll to University is already a nightmare.

I don't live in TP but arguing that a city should not develop a large vacant site in a prime location for fear it will create too much traffic is the kind of backwards thinking that kills local becomes and results in cities having to raise taxes and reduce amenities.

If a city isn't growing, it's dying. The key is smart growth-- advocate for a plan that will create more public transit resources along with this development, or improve existing traffic infrastructure. Look at what you can reasonably extract from a developer to assist with this.

But arguing the city should not build and new housing because of traffic congestion is just NIMBYism run amok. It won't work out how you hope.

Right now traffic backs up a crazy amount around TP during rush hour. It’s not a nimby issue; many of the people this will impact don’t necessarily live in TP. And even if it is a nimby issue, what’s wrong with advocating for consideration of something like traffic problems that will impact everyone who uses these roads? I assure you that these aren’t entitled rich people who will be most impacted. Sometimes the reality is that the way roads are designed impacts how much traffic they can hold. I’m happy to advocate for public transportation, but it is very naive to think that people will suddenly start taking busses and the like in mass numbers. Plus, I find it classist to assume that people in a new development should be expected to use public transportation instead of cars.

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

The city roads can't handle the added traffic from developments like this. Getting out of TP via Carroll to University is already a nightmare.

I don't live in TP but arguing that a city should not develop a large vacant site in a prime location for fear it will create too much traffic is the kind of backwards thinking that kills local becomes and results in cities having to raise taxes and reduce amenities.

If a city isn't growing, it's dying. The key is smart growth-- advocate for a plan that will create more public transit resources along with this development, or improve existing traffic infrastructure. Look at what you can reasonably extract from a developer to assist with this.

But arguing the city should not build and new housing because of traffic congestion is just NIMBYism run amok. It won't work out how you hope.

Right now traffic backs up a crazy amount around TP during rush hour. It’s not a nimby issue; many of the people this will impact don’t necessarily live in TP. And even if it is a nimby issue, what’s wrong with advocating for consideration of something like traffic problems that will impact everyone who uses these roads? I assure you that these aren’t entitled rich people who will be most impacted. Sometimes the reality is that the way roads are designed impacts how much traffic they can hold. I’m happy to advocate for public transportation, but it is very naive to think that people will suddenly start taking busses and the like in mass numbers. Plus, I find it classist to assume that people in a new development should be expected to use public transportation instead of cars.

These arguments all amount to basically circular, self-perpetuating NIMBYism.

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As an advocate for public transportation, you should be aware that people actually do, right now, take buses and the like in mass numbers.

No, it's not classist to build or improve public transportation near housing, or to build housing near public transportation.

Public transportation helps everyone get around, including poor people and non-poor people.

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Anonymous wrote:If the area can't support a hospital I have no idea how it will support luxury condos.

It was a terrible hospital in an area with many great ones. People vote with their feet and no one went to Adventist.

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Anonymous wrote:If the area can't support a hospital I have no idea how it will support luxury condos.

It was a terrible hospital in an area with many great ones. People vote with their feet and no one went to Adventist.

You think Holy Cross is a “great hospital”?

The truth is that Adventist got subsidies to build a new hospital at Shady Grove and this old hospital had higher value as a housing development. Once the new hospital was built they immediately moved to start closing the old one. It was always and only about maximizing money for Adventist. It’s funny that you’re trying to argue otherwise when the closest competition is Holy Cross, which is not a good hospital.

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Anonymous wrote:If the area can't support a hospital I have no idea how it will support luxury condos.

It was a terrible hospital in an area with many great ones. People vote with their feet and no one went to Adventist.

You think Holy Cross is a “great hospital”?

The truth is that Adventist got subsidies to build a new hospital at Shady Grove and this old hospital had higher value as a housing development. Once the new hospital was built they immediately moved to start closing the old one. It was always and only about maximizing money for Adventist. It’s funny that you’re trying to argue otherwise when the closest competition is Holy Cross, which is not a good hospital.

Shady Grove Adventist Hospital opened in 1979. Washington Adventist got permission to move to White Oak in 2015. Is that what you're talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

Do you live in the City of Takoma Park? Have you considered moving somewhere else? It sounds like you might be happier if you did that.

+1. OP you should move. Takoma park is full of loons, is in a declining county, is next to high crime areas. Of all places that are good to live, it isn’t one of them.

+10000. Progressive hell-hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

Do you live in the City of Takoma Park? Have you considered moving somewhere else? It sounds like you might be happier if you did that.

+1. OP you should move. Takoma park is full of loons, is in a declining county, is next to high crime areas. Of all places that are good to live, it isn’t one of them.

+10000. Progressive hell-hole. [/quote
Meanwhile over in Takoma Park nobody even knows the name of whatever retrograde MAGA enclave you live in. Why do places you don’t even like take up so much of your mind?

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Takoma Park is a hell scape.

It's the same small town who once tried to force people to uptake corn pellet stoves or whatever and remove gas furnaces, because don't you know, the environment!!!! Yes, they were literally going to make people shovel pellets into their homes to heat them,.lol.


Takoma park is a commune....literally a den of communists who all think they need to have a say in how you live your life and feel like they should control it. Solutions also always involve more taxes, bigger government, and more red tape. At one point, they were dead set on banning all gas stations in TP because again, the environment. Lol, it probably never occurred to those progressive dimwits that if they banned gas stations, all it would force people to do is drive MORE because they'd have to go further out to get gas.

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions. TP is the s hole you get when you have unchecked liberalism run amok. Utter nightmare of a town.

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Anonymous wrote:Having learned nothing from the abysmal financial drain by the city for the Takoma Junction project, the city is embarking on an ambitious upzoning project to attract a luxury residential developer to build condos on the site of the Washington Adventist Hospital. First step is $60K spending by the city for planning a new streetscape along Maple Ave meant to make this project attractive to developers. What are the chances this can succeed in a way that can pay back taxpayers for the "investment"?

The city roads can't handle the added traffic from developments like this. Getting out of TP via Carroll to University is already a nightmare.

Too bad. It's hilarious how TP libs are always the first to vote for things like up zoning MoCo everywhere and for terrible local pols who'll do it, but TP citizens are only want it if it happens in other peoples' backyards while they get to live in their protected little enclave. Total hypocrisy. Bulldoze the crap outta TP and up zone it all. All the progressives want MoCo 2050, so give it to 'em starting with Takoma Park.

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Can we give Takoma Park back to PG County please? It would make everyone happy.

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The city roads can't handle the added traffic from developments like this. Getting out of TP via Carroll to University is already a nightmare.

Try getting out of your car, yourself. Takoma Park has great transit options, it's walkable, and easy to bike.

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Anonymous wrote:Takoma Park is a hell scape.

It's the same small town who once tried to force people to uptake corn pellet stoves or whatever and remove gas furnaces, because don't you know, the environment!!!! Yes, they were literally going to make people shovel pellets into their homes to heat them,.lol.


Takoma park is a commune....literally a den of communists who all think they need to have a say in how you live your life and feel like they should control it. Solutions also always involve more taxes, bigger government, and more red tape. At one point, they were dead set on banning all gas stations in TP because again, the environment. Lol, it probably never occurred to those progressive dimwits that if they banned gas stations, all it would force people to do is drive MORE because they'd have to go further out to get gas.

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions. TP is the s hole you get when you have unchecked liberalism run amok. Utter nightmare of a town.

We live here and experience none of what you describe above. In terms of day to day living, it's really pretty much the same as anyplace else. We've had nothing weird imposed in us, except having to plant a tree to replace the one we took down.