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Pro illegal alien supporters please explain this attitude...
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Anonymous
In fact, many who work with stolen/bought Social Security numbers never get Social Security in the end, either. So a second way that they pay taxes but don't get a benefit. |
Anonymous
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I think the "they don't pay taxes" point really only applies to day laborers and those providing home services (house keeping, nannying, yard work) since as PPs mentioned, most working for actual companies have taxes taken out. Clearly people are talking about paying into SS/Medicare and income taxes when they say they "don't pay taxes" and not items that every single person here - even tourists from other countries - must pay such as sales tax.
However, I highly doubt that the taxes they DO pay balance out the demands at the local and state levels on more intensive schooling demands (ESOL, FARMS kids) and the various social services that people do not necessarily need to prove they are here legally for and/or are provided to their kids since they are citizens. |
Anonymous
| I'm curious how many of you who think that illegal immigration is not a problem in this country would be ok with just opening up the borders. If it's ok for the folks who are here now illegally, where do you draw the line? |
Anonymous
That's a straw man. Saying that you don't think the solution is wholesale deportation does not mean you don't think there is a problem. I, for one, think it's a complex problem that requires serious thought rather than generalization and simplification. There may be no perfect balance of limited resources, fairness in jobs and taxes, fairness to those who would like to come versus those who are here illegally, security, and other aspects I may be missing. |
Anonymous
In logic that sort of argument is called "reductio ad absurdum" or reduction to absurdity. No one is arguing that the borders should be opened. We simply don't think this is a compelling socioeconomic problem of the first degree that should be prioritized the way you do. |
Anonymous
| I didn't make an argument. I asked a question. Those who defend illegal immigrants often say it's a "complex" problem, but then don't offer solutions. Rather, they try to downplay the negative impact that illegal immigration has on our country. So I asked a question - if illegal immigration isn't a problem, where do you draw the line? |
jsteele
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As others have said, I don't think anyone believes that illegal immigration is not a problem. Rather, on the scale of the problems facing this country, it ranks rather low. I will say that I do not support open borders at this time, though I believe it is a laudable goal to which to work. I hope that in the future, national borders will be relics of the past much as tribal and clan divisions are for the most part today. I abhor anything that divides people. But, that is something for a very far off future. In the meantime, the question of where to draw the line is one that I don't think I can answer. While not supporting open borders, I also don't support militarizing the borders. I don't think the true costs of "securing the border" and all that entails is worth the benefit (such that it is) and actually results in significant harm. |
Anonymous
a great question. why are those that have come here illegally already so much more deserving to stay here than all the other people around the world that desperately want to come here but are further away (vs. Mexico/Central America) or think the right thing to do is to wait years upon years for legal approval to come here? |
Anonymous
I can answer this one. Because todays problem is not the ones that are not here but the ones that are here. Is that so difficult that you could not have figured out it yourself?? For what it is worth, most people are patriotic to the country that they live in and do not dream of living in the usa |