Boundary study materials float "open-enrollment gifted and talented programming"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open enrollment G and T sounds meaningless.

That’s EXACTLY what it would be. Utterly meaningless. Laughable.

+1. What a total joke.

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They should have a 2E twice exceptional program for gifted students with something else (ADHD, ASD, dyslexia, etc.). My friend says that Montgomery county has such a program.

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Advisory Committee member here: we shredded this draft recommendation to pieces. First, we don’t want any language about “some committee members” because we want to operate as a team and present consensus.
Second, we challenged that “gifted and talented” may not be the buzzword they meant and pushed for a more accurate description of the type of programs DME wants to pursue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Advisory Committee member here: we shredded this draft recommendation to pieces. First, we don’t want any language about “some committee members” because we want to operate as a team and present consensus.
Second, we challenged that “gifted and talented” may not be the buzzword they meant and pushed for a more accurate description of the type of programs DME wants to pursue.

No matter what you call it, adding more advanced options to schools where the vast majority of kids aren't at grade level without making those options test-in has been tried already and has not made those schools more attractive.

The lower-income parents EOTR who go to the no excuses charters want higher expectations and behavioral standards, which this doesn't give them. The UMC families want actually more rigorous academic options and on-grade-level peer groups. No one is going to go to Anacostia HS because it adds more AP classes when the students already aren't passing the ones that exist now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open enrollment G and T sounds meaningless.

Honors for all!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Advisory Committee member here: we shredded this draft recommendation to pieces. First, we don’t want any language about “some committee members” because we want to operate as a team and present consensus.
Second, we challenged that “gifted and talented” may not be the buzzword they meant and pushed for a more accurate description of the type of programs DME wants to pursue.

No matter what you call it, adding more advanced options to schools where the vast majority of kids aren't at grade level without making those options test-in has been tried already and has not made those schools more attractive.

The lower-income parents EOTR who go to the no excuses charters want higher expectations and behavioral standards, which this doesn't give them. The UMC families want actually more rigorous academic options and on-grade-level peer groups. No one is going to go to Anacostia HS because it adds more AP classes when the students already aren't passing the ones that exist now.

+100

Well stated. AP classes by name only is the same thing as an open enrollment gifted and talented program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Open enrollment gifted and talented means what exactly? Can a teacher actually teach the gifted curriculum when any parent can just enroll their kid? We all know DCPS won’t kick kids out of programs so you just end up with watered down classes again. I guess the behavior would be better

The only way I can see it working is if kids can be kicked out if they don’t meet homework & behavioral standards, and are allowed to fail if they can’t keep up.

DCPS would never go for this. They won’t let kids fail and they won’t kick kids out.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have a 2E twice exceptional program for gifted students with something else (ADHD, ASD, dyslexia, etc.). My friend says that Montgomery county has such a program.

I used to teach in MCPS. MCPS GT program is actually high quality and requires a great deal of testing into the program, teacher recommendations and the curriculum is superb. I don't see DCPS doing anything like this. Having had experience in both MCPS and DCPS, I will give credit to MoCo county, they screw up a lot of things but teacher quality and it's GT program is not one of them.

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Describe the entry requirements for BASIS

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Anonymous wrote:Describe the entry requirements for BASIS

They have a) a lot of self-selection and b) high attrition rates. You think a DCPS program in ward 7 or 8 is going to have either of those? There is already "advanced" programming at these schools and it doesn't play out like BASIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Advisory Committee member here: we shredded this draft recommendation to pieces. First, we don’t want any language about “some committee members” because we want to operate as a team and present consensus.
Second, we challenged that “gifted and talented” may not be the buzzword they meant and pushed for a more accurate description of the type of programs DME wants to pursue.

I'm listening to it now and I would not say "shredded to pieces". Mainly one person called the name disingenuous but was okay with the concept. Which I agree with-- it's a vague and meaningless term, much like other DCPS window-dressing on crappy, below-grade instruction.

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I think the BASIS example could be apposite to the situation. I would make it of that rigor and promote the hell out of it, but make it clear that it's rigorous, period, there are always other schools for you.

Then I would site it in Anacostia. Accessible to the Hill but across the River.

I actually believe it would be extremely popular, contrary to some views of the potential of EOTR kids. That said, I think a no-excuses academic rigor should be quietly accompanied by some serious tutoring. Not by the same staff.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the BASIS example could be apposite to the situation. I would make it of that rigor and promote the hell out of it, but make it clear that it's rigorous, period, there are always other schools for you.

Then I would site it in Anacostia. Accessible to the Hill but across the River.

I actually believe it would be extremely popular, contrary to some views of the potential of EOTR kids. That said, I think a no-excuses academic rigor should be quietly accompanied by some serious tutoring. Not by the same staff.

Given DCPs grading scale this would not work. They won’t kick kids out, they won’t fail kids and they wouldn’t allow comps or whatever the end of year tests Basis gives to be promoted to the next grade. DCPS just passes kids along. It’s not the teachers it’s institutional.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the BASIS example could be apposite to the situation. I would make it of that rigor and promote the hell out of it, but make it clear that it's rigorous, period, there are always other schools for you.

Then I would site it in Anacostia. Accessible to the Hill but across the River.

I actually believe it would be extremely popular, contrary to some views of the potential of EOTR kids. That said, I think a no-excuses academic rigor should be quietly accompanied by some serious tutoring. Not by the same staff.

This is explicitly being talked about as an add-on to existing schools to make them more attractive. Not a standalone option. These exist already and they're not run the way you're suggesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the BASIS example could be apposite to the situation. I would make it of that rigor and promote the hell out of it, but make it clear that it's rigorous, period, there are always other schools for you.

Then I would site it in Anacostia. Accessible to the Hill but across the River.

I actually believe it would be extremely popular, contrary to some views of the potential of EOTR kids. That said, I think a no-excuses academic rigor should be quietly accompanied by some serious tutoring. Not by the same staff.

This is explicitly being talked about as an add-on to existing schools to make them more attractive. Not a standalone option. These exist already and they're not run the way you're suggesting.

What is the existing standalone elementary or middle school G&T option?