This is disturbing: new study shows changes in brain connections and function after just a single season of football

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

Shhh, they don't want to hear this.

They feel 'holier than thou' when they don't let little Larlo play tackle football but sign him up for Soccer in the fall, Hockey in the winter, and Lax in the spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was going to ignore this thread as the uninformed unthinking internet post that blankets social media. But it’s so ignorant that against my better judgement I decided to respond.

1. It turns out that many sports and activities damage the brain.

Soccer- https://www.columbiaradiology.org/news/soccer-heading-linked-measurable-decline-brain-function#:~:text=A%20new%20study%20at%20Columbia,over%20a%20two%2Dyear%20period.

Gymnastics - https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-06-07/womens-gymnastics-brings-high-risk-for-concussion

Basketball- https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/basketball-concussions-a-risk-in-contact-sports-not-just-football/

Etc.

2. More to the point - bran injury fears are a distraction from the real health problems confronting children which are inactivity, obesity, and diabetes.

See https://mottpoll.org/reports-surveys/top-10-child-health-concerns-exercise-obesity-smoking-lead-list

3. The thing I hate most about post like this are the people who post them. They’re usually either well meaning people who saw a link and have a flash reaction which they immediately post on a board or they’re a culture warrior who see themselves as a paladin for what is good and right.

To the OP if you’re the former- think before you post. But if you’re the latter take a big step back and f**k your own face.

I'm sure the OP of this post is the same person that spams the 'Sports' forum with these links. But the people in that forum have gotten bored/annoyed by her and stopped engaging.

So she came here instead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The study showed the effect were remedied post season. The recommendation is for a break after an event (or a season). This shows the brain heals.

😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

Shhh, they don't want to hear this.

They feel 'holier than thou' when they don't let little Larlo play tackle football but sign him up for Soccer in the fall, Hockey in the winter, and Lax in the spring.

No Jan. Being repeatedly hit in the head over and over and over again is far worse than what happens on the pitch

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That's crazy about soccer. I had no idea. It seems like hockey (not pro, just talking youth sports) is actually better than I would have thought. I'm not from a hockey state and my knowledge of it was reading about blood and teeth bouncing off the ice in Judy Blume's books. I can't believe we have middle and high school children (yes, children) playing tackle football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

Thank you for calling this 🤡 out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

Yes, I agree.

And FYI: those lower-intensity collisions happen frequently in the other sports mentioned. Hell, my daughter probably ends up on the ground more often in her soccer practice than in my son does in his football practice.

And AGAIN, I'm not saying football is as safe as the other sports; it's not. But that its been singled out as the "dangerous" sport, when the other sports also pose a brain injury risk. If you're ruling out football, you should be limiting your kids to sports where the competitors do not physically share a space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

Yes, I agree.

And FYI: those lower-intensity collisions happen frequently in the other sports mentioned. Hell, my daughter probably ends up on the ground more often in her soccer practice than in my son does in his football practice.

And AGAIN, I'm not saying football is as safe as the other sports; it's not. But that its been singled out as the "dangerous" sport, when the other sports also pose a brain injury risk. If you're ruling out football, you should be limiting your kids to sports where the competitors do not physically share a space.

You are willfully in denial. I can guarantee 10000% that your daughter encounters nowhere near the same number of collisions as many positions do in football, like running back or linemen. Linemen are the worst, because every single play encounter collisions multiple times. You don't have to end up on your back, it's simply the act of bodies hitting each other every single play on football that makes it much more dangerous because you are accumulating a much higher total g forces for the brain. Linemen have 30x greater risk for developing CTE than most other positions. Linemen are almost never routinely knocked out. Running backs are also very bad with 10x higher risk for CTE because they have to crash into people and get tackled every time they touch the ball. Read the study linked.

It's obvious at this point no amount of explaining will convince you. Cognitive dissonance is your issue though, not everyone else's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

Yes, I agree.

And FYI: those lower-intensity collisions happen frequently in the other sports mentioned. Hell, my daughter probably ends up on the ground more often in her soccer practice than in my son does in his football practice.

And AGAIN, I'm not saying football is as safe as the other sports; it's not. But that its been singled out as the "dangerous" sport, when the other sports also pose a brain injury risk. If you're ruling out football, you should be limiting your kids to sports where the competitors do not physically share a space.

You are willfully in denial. I can guarantee 10000% that your daughter encounters nowhere near the same number of collisions as many positions do in football, like running back or linemen. Linemen are the worst, because every single play encounter collisions multiple times. You don't have to end up on your back, it's simply the act of bodies hitting each other every single play on football that makes it much more dangerous because you are accumulating a much higher total g forces for the brain. Linemen have 30x greater risk for developing CTE than most other positions. Linemen are almost never routinely knocked out. Running backs are also very bad with 10x higher risk for CTE because they have to crash into people and get tackled every time they touch the ball. Read the study linked.

It's obvious at this point no amount of explaining will convince you. Cognitive dissonance is your issue though, not everyone else's.

I think you’re arguing with two numbskulls but I could be wrong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That just simply isn't true, or even close and there is no evidence to support that claim.

"A new study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that girls who play high school soccer are at nearly the same risk for traumatic brain injuries as boys who play high school football. In fact, concussion rates were higher among girls than boys in every high school sport."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/11/07/the-concussion-gender-gap-why-girls-suffer-more-head-injuries/?sh=248967786937

It's almost like any sport where the athletes are sprinting into a shared space will result in head injuries.

It's not about if football is dangerous; it is. It's about making sure we apply the same lens to the other sports.

If you don't let your son play tackle football, but let your daughter play soccer, you're making an emotional decision, not a logical fact-based one

Once again, it's about subconcussive forces, not just concussions.

A football player gets hundreds or thousands of hits per week for years in end while a soccer player doesn't..

Try to keep up:

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/football-cte-brain-injury-concussions-study


Go back and read Aaron Hernandez's autopsy findings. His brain was so bad it shocked the pathologist who analyzed his brain. He is believed to have way more concussions and brain traumas than his health records would indicate. For all we know, concussions and brain traumas are being vastly underreported by football players.

Having your bell rung alone is not predictive of CTE. It's the sum total of collisions.

Yes, I agree.

And FYI: those lower-intensity collisions happen frequently in the other sports mentioned. Hell, my daughter probably ends up on the ground more often in her soccer practice than in my son does in his football practice.

And AGAIN, I'm not saying football is as safe as the other sports; it's not. But that its been singled out as the "dangerous" sport, when the other sports also pose a brain injury risk. If you're ruling out football, you should be limiting your kids to sports where the competitors do not physically share a space.

You are willfully in denial. I can guarantee 10000% that your daughter encounters nowhere near the same number of collisions as many positions do in football, like running back or linemen. Linemen are the worst, because every single play encounter collisions multiple times. You don't have to end up on your back, it's simply the act of bodies hitting each other every single play on football that makes it much more dangerous because you are accumulating a much higher total g forces for the brain. Linemen have 30x greater risk for developing CTE than most other positions. Linemen are almost never routinely knocked out. Running backs are also very bad with 10x higher risk for CTE because they have to crash into people and get tackled every time they touch the ball. Read the study linked.

It's obvious at this point no amount of explaining will convince you. Cognitive dissonance is your issue though, not everyone else's.

Not just me. anyone. you'll never convince anyone by spamming message boards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That's crazy about soccer. I had no idea. It seems like hockey (not pro, just talking youth sports) is actually better than I would have thought. I'm not from a hockey state and my knowledge of it was reading about blood and teeth bouncing off the ice in Judy Blume's books. I can't believe we have middle and high school children (yes, children) playing tackle football.

Hockey only allows full checking in 14U, so there is relatively low risk in the younger years. The biggest drop-off in participation occurs when checking is added. Some people argue that checking should be introduced much younger, like tackle football and lacrosse, so the kids can learn it safely before some of them are 6' and already in puberty. The little 4'10 kid who is super fast, has soft hands, and is the top goal scorer in 12U may quit the first time he is body-checked by a kid twice his weight. In any case, the collisions in football are much bigger than checking in hockey in lacrosse. I wish my kid played tennis or swam, but I lost that battle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very against football. But I’d like similar studies does for other youth sports like soccer and hockey. I’m sure it’s not as bad as football but I’d like to know how bad it is.

Soccer is almost as bad as football when it comes to head injuries, concussions, CTE among advanced players. Girls soccer in high school has a similar rate of head injuries to boys football in high school.

Any contact sport has a risk of head injuries, hockey, lacrosse, soccer, football.

That's crazy about soccer. I had no idea. It seems like hockey (not pro, just talking youth sports) is actually better than I would have thought. I'm not from a hockey state and my knowledge of it was reading about blood and teeth bouncing off the ice in Judy Blume's books. I can't believe we have middle and high school children (yes, children) playing tackle football.

Hockey only allows full checking in 14U, so there is relatively low risk in the younger years. The biggest drop-off in participation occurs when checking is added. Some people argue that checking should be introduced much younger, like tackle football and lacrosse, so the kids can learn it safely before some of them are 6' and already in puberty. The little 4'10 kid who is super fast, has soft hands, and is the top goal scorer in 12U may quit the first time he is body-checked by a kid twice his weight. In any case, the collisions in football are much bigger than checking in hockey in lacrosse. I wish my kid played tennis or swam, but I lost that battle.

Tennis has its share of injuries and issues long term (repetitive stress)