Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

[Anonymous]

I am confused. Was their a competition in math for school kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.

I heard the TPMS team this year was mostly inboundary kids.

Yes, half the team were inboundary and would attend TPMS regardless.

Would be there regardless, but not in the magnet program. Those 25 in-bounds-only magnet seats, when considered proportionately to the population there versus the 100 for those not in-bounds, provide TPMS-zoned families something like a 200% greater likelihood of being chosen in the lottery.

TPMS isn't particularly overbooked, either, with its recent expamsion. If available seats between the in-boundary and out-of-boundary were balanced vs. the relative overall student populations (say, something like 115 out and 10 in), the extra 15 kids ending up at TPMS from outside the boundary wouldn't create a problem...

...except for those counting on special in-bounds treatment.

Your math needs a little work!

Also the in boundary kids are IN ADDITION to the magnet, not a carve out from it. They can be added because they are already slotted to attend and resources are already allotted. It costs oob kids nothing and saves them the competition. And, yes, there is a lot of competition for the TP seats -- I know plenty of brilliant kids who did nor get in. If you want to get rid of the TP seats, be prepared to lose some of your 100 seats to TP students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.

Sooooooo, you're sayin' that heavily prepped kids with a larger peer cohort remaining at their schools and great PTA funding to support academic extracurriculars did well in a math competition? Shocking!

This. These crazy competitive parents already enrich their kids well beyond curriculum. They can clearly afford to keep doing that w/ aops, A++, Dr. Li, Kumon, CTY, etc. Why do people do this to jockey into a public magnet? Do they really think the most enriched kids should get the county resources?

This seems like a great result for all. More enrichment for a greater number of kids. Also, as OP noted, the difference in scores between top teams was miniscule. Not sure why people feel the need to denigrate TPMS kids unless it's a case of sour grapes. You are all doing well. Hooray for that and move forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.

TPMS is sending more kids to the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all know that students getting into Takoma magnet are not always the top math students in their ES class. Read the stories on this forum and talk to families who will tell you their top Math kid did not get a seat at TPMS magnet but their kid's classmate with lower math test scores etc did get in to TP magnet. MCPS can not get much right. Go to Howard county for a better G/T program.

You lost all credibility when you said and believed that.

[Anonymous]

My kid was on a math counts team 4-5 years ago and I remember Frost doing really well back then to. They must have a good coach. I don’t know if TPMS maybe fields multiple teams, so maybe that’s why they have more going to state?

For the PP that said they were confused, mathxounts is a long standing national competition where kids compete in teams and as individuals doing math problems that are a bit different than the type of math you do in schools. I went to states back in the mid 1970s, so it’s been around at least since then, although I think the format has changed over the decades.

Congrats to all the competitors! This is the sort of thing where everyone who competes really wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was on a math counts team 4-5 years ago and I remember Frost doing really well back then to. They must have a good coach. I don’t know if TPMS maybe fields multiple teams, so maybe that’s why they have more going to state?

For the PP that said they were confused, mathxounts is a long standing national competition where kids compete in teams and as individuals doing math problems that are a bit different than the type of math you do in schools. I went to states back in the mid 1970s, so it’s been around at least since then, although I think the format has changed over the decades.

Congrats to all the competitors! This is the sort of thing where everyone who competes really wins.

TPMS always sends more to the state and national.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.

Exactly as intended, and good. Schools with a large local cohort don't need to bus across town to a magnet. More spots for kids around the county who need to cluster together to form a cohort. The magic isn't the courses or teachers (though of course the teachers are great). The secret ingredient is the other kids.

Maybe as intended, but far from adequate. There are spots for what, maybe 20 percent of the pool? And the pool doesn't include anywhere close to all who might benefit from GT programming because of local norming keeping out of the pool a bunch of 90th-95th percentile MAP kids from some schools in the first place?

So you get:

A group with highly enriched course offerings for maybe 10 percent at the magnet

A peer group with much lesser enriched course offerings in high-performing clusters for maybe another 50 percent, a minority of whom are likely to participate in things like Mathcounts to help make up for the disparity

A scattered 40 percent with those same lesser offerings but not even a sizeable peer group and often not even access to things like Mathcounts.

Bottom line, MCPS has folks focusing on envy about magnet admissions instead of on providing appropriate programming for the GT population, whether at a magnet drawing from the more scattered outliers or locally where a peer group would exist to facilitate logistics of an equivent experience.

My main takeaway from the lottery was that more kids would benefit from the programming than there are spots, but also given the attrition since they started the lottery I think they need to increase the selectitity.

[Anonymous]

The kids from Cabin John were well prepared for things like the bonus round. They were buzzing before anyone could read the questions, which I think many of their competitors were unprepared for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was on a math counts team 4-5 years ago and I remember Frost doing really well back then to. They must have a good coach. I don’t know if TPMS maybe fields multiple teams, so maybe that’s why they have more going to state?

For the PP that said they were confused, mathxounts is a long standing national competition where kids compete in teams and as individuals doing math problems that are a bit different than the type of math you do in schools. I went to states back in the mid 1970s, so it’s been around at least since then, although I think the format has changed over the decades.

Congrats to all the competitors! This is the sort of thing where everyone who competes really wins.

Frost won an early round back then, but at state, TPMS destroyed them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

Be aware that the difference ranks in the top few teams was about 1% the top score, and the difference between 10th and 50th place was 10% of the top score.

Team + Individual combined scores, ranks:

1. Cabin John (Potomac)
2. Robert Frost (Rockville)
3. Takoma Park (math magnet)
4. Westland (Bethesda)
5. Pyle (Bethesda)
6. Eastern (humanities magnet) (Silver Spring)
7. Hoover (Potomac)
8. North Bethesda
9. Tilden (North Bethesda)
Schools sending students to State:

11 Takoma Park
10 Cabin John
5 Robert Frost
5 Pyle
5 Eastern
3 Hoover
2 Kingsview
1 North Bethesda
1 Westland
1 Tilden
1 Hallie Wells
1 Wood
1 Redlands
1 Parkland
1 Norwood
(plus a few wildcards or be added later)

Individuals:
1. CJ1 Cabin John
2. RF1 Robert Frost
3. RF2
4. RF3
5. CJ2
6. TP1
7. TP2
8. CJ3
9. CJ4
10. Pyle1

11 (tie). CJ5 Hoover1
13. RF4
14 (tie). Hoover2 TP3 Pyle2 Westland CJ5 CJ6
20. Pyle2
20. CJ7
20. CJ8
20. TP4
20. Kingsview1
25 (tie). Norwood RF5 Kingsview2

Congratulations to these incredible students!

The kids at Cabin John and Robert Frost who did not win lottery beat the kids at Takoma Park who won lottery.

Sooooooo, you're sayin' that heavily prepped kids with a larger peer cohort remaining at their schools and great PTA funding to support academic extracurriculars did well in a math competition? Shocking!

Mathcounts costs $0 in PTA funding. The county pays the teacher sponsors and the bus drivers. Financial aid is available for the $30 registration fee.


The beauty of math is that it is free and equitable. All it requires is time and effort.

What are you doing today? I assume you don't want to watch the Super Bowl with all those <yawn> "highly prepped" players

[Anonymous]

The Mathcounts students and parents -- from rank #1 to #200 -- love each other, while the bitter sad sacks at home snipe at them.

If you have so much free time to whine online, how about you go volunteer to get some kids signed up and prepped for Mathcounts?

[Anonymous]

So basically everyone did the same. Why bother having a competition then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was on a math counts team 4-5 years ago and I remember Frost doing really well back then to. They must have a good coach. I don’t know if TPMS maybe fields multiple teams, so maybe that’s why they have more going to state?

For the PP that said they were confused, mathxounts is a long standing national competition where kids compete in teams and as individuals doing math problems that are a bit different than the type of math you do in schools. I went to states back in the mid 1970s, so it’s been around at least since then, although I think the format has changed over the decades.

Congrats to all the competitors! This is the sort of thing where everyone who competes really wins.

Frost is a student-run club. The coaches are a handful of former Frost team member from the past 4 years. (They are now at Blair SMACS.)

Please talk to your children and their friends at Blair and other high schools, suggesting they reach out to coach more schools, and new schools. With Zoom, one coaching group can coach a group of students with just a few kids from each of any schools, greatly expanding the positive impact. It's good for SSL hours and coveted T20 college applications.
Mathcounts even offers scholarship money to some students who start new school clubs. Mathcounts is a mostly volunteer-run program that survives in the efforts of volunteers of all ages across the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically everyone did the same. Why bother having a competition then?

It's fun and motivating for any people (mostly boys). I wish we had more non-competitive celebratory events to inspire kids who aren't motivated by competition.