Mathcounts results 2024 MoCo+PG

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wealthier PTAs can afford to give grants to cover teachers who sponsor extracurriculars. Some pandemic funding that had provided a nice bump for that kind of thing fell off a cliff this year. Also, even if a parent runs a club/activity, there typically still needs to be a staff sponsor.

Some folks are oblivious to this or other realities, thinking that funding comes from central, that teachers have all this extra time to donate (though some very generous ones do), or that kids tend to come up with academic club ideas themselves, instead of those being more family driven, with awareness, itself, tending to come from prior years' implementations.

There *are* kids at places without Mathcounts who would be interested, but without all *schools* making academic extracurriculars a priority (some don't even make them suggestions for what *could* be an option to ascertain interest), it's a chicken and egg thing, in addition to a family resource thing, and they're left out in the cold. Those suggesting they don't exist or somehow should be fine with less are willfully ignorant or engaging in schadenfreude.

Are you saying this MCPS stoped policy isn't true?


https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/budget/archiveDetail.aspx?id=471&year=2021&order=31&keywords=

A few things:

1) The amounts available to each school are not nearly adequate to cover any reasonable amount of extracurricular activity. The 350 hour allocation wouldn't even really cover 10.

2) The reimbursement rates from that allocation are very small (the base was $15/hour from the IAF in 2020). The federal program that just sunset this year had provided something like the equivalent of overtime pay, several times the prior and now current compensation.

3) School PTAs, while restricted on directly funding some things (e.g., most capital improvements to their school building, though nice-to-haves like front signage are permitted), can supplement support for extracurriculars with mini grants and the like. Rich PTA = more (and often better) extracurriculars.

Separately, I'm having trouble finding the March 2020 follow up that MCPS promised at the bottom of the Q&A link you provided (thanks!) that was to list extracurriculars by school. Any chance you have a link to that? Might it have gotten forgotten in the opening stages of the pandemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Poor kids in the upper county. Their middle schools don't even have math teams!
This shows how polarized this society is. Sigh!

Math team is a student club. If their middle schools don’t have math team then it just means there isn’t enough interest from students in the school to run a club. It’s nothing to do with polarization. They just have different interests.

God forbid schools encourage students to get more involved in learning math.

If math team students even spent 50% of the effort kids made for sports like football, the future of this country would look very different.

Lol, let me flip that around for ya:

If football kids even spent 50% of the effort others put into math team, the future of this country would look very different.

There, fixed.

Yep. Our students can't compete with world kids the way education is here. Only bully the rest with military. May we have PeACE on earth.

I know, right? Our best schools have to take foreign students. So sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Poor kids in the upper county. Their middle schools don't even have math teams!
This shows how polarized this society is. Sigh!

Math team is a student club. If their middle schools don’t have math team then it just means there isn’t enough interest from students in the school to run a club. It’s nothing to do with polarization. They just have different interests.

God forbid schools encourage students to get more involved in learning math.

If math team students even spent 50% of the effort kids made for sports like football, the future of this country would look very different.

Lol, let me flip that around for ya:

If football kids even spent 50% of the effort others put into math team, the future of this country would look very different.

There, fixed.

Kidding aside meeting for the math team for 1 hour per week is excessive compared to 3 hours of football practice daily. My kid was on one of the top teams at this years mathcounts and they put in an hour a week and that's it. I actually wish they did more, but I don't feel it's my place to push them.

Which middle school football team practices for 3 hours a day???

I know most HS teams practice 2.5 hours a day. Regardless, that's way more time than any math team that meets for just an hour a week, but our society values sports more than intelligence.

Football isn't cover 4 hours per week as a class in school, plus homework, and math team doesn't need to factor in time to change clothes and shower. Competitively serious math teams have additional homework study, since they don't meed to meet at the gym to exercise on special equipment.
This comparison is idiotic.

Your school doesn't have football for PE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

We get more diversity in the schools, the races are more balanced in their students, but whoever outperformed are still the same group of students.

SO, what in deed are we chasing for? Meet all kids' need, make a better education, or satisfy our vanities on diversity (so called)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poor kids in the upper county. Their middle schools don't even have math teams!
This shows how polarized this society is. Sigh!

Math team is a student club. If their middle schools don’t have math team then it just means there isn’t enough interest from students in the school to run a club. It’s nothing to do with polarization. They just have different interests.

God forbid schools encourage students to get more involved in learning math.

If math team students even spent 50% of the effort kids made for sports like football, the future of this country would look very different.

Lol, let me flip that around for ya:

If football kids even spent 50% of the effort others put into math team, the future of this country would look very different.

There, fixed.

Kidding aside meeting for the math team for 1 hour per week is excessive compared to 3 hours of football practice daily. My kid was on one of the top teams at this years mathcounts and they put in an hour a week and that's it. I actually wish they did more, but I don't feel it's my place to push them.

Which middle school football team practices for 3 hours a day???

I know most HS teams practice 2.5 hours a day. Regardless, that's way more time than any math team that meets for just an hour a week, but our society values sports more than intelligence.

Football isn't cover 4 hours per week as a class in school, plus homework, and math team doesn't need to factor in time to change clothes and shower. Competitively serious math teams have additional homework study, since they don't meed to meet at the gym to exercise on special equipment.
This comparison is idiotic.

Your school doesn't have football for PE?

Does yours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

Why not both?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

This is true. among the top 48 list who moved to the State level, more than 30 (I forgot the exact number) of them have a Chinese, Indian or Korean names. Asian also take 7 seats out of top 10.

some more data about tp:
top 25, only 4 of them from TP.
top5, zero.

Just FYI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

This is true. among the top 48 list who moved to the State level, more than 30 (I forgot the exact number) of them have a Chinese, Indian or Korean names. Asian also take 7 seats out of top 10.

some more data about tp:
top 25, only 4 of them from TP.
top5, zero.

Just FYI.

But how is the Asian percentage of mathcounts an indicator of the success, or lack thereof, of the TPMS lottery? Is PP trying to suggest that the lottery only works if the list is now full of URMs?

With some noise, mathcounts top 48 list the set of the best mathletes in the county. The lottery only changes the name of the school that these mathletes list on their registration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

This is true. among the top 48 list who moved to the State level, more than 30 (I forgot the exact number) of them have a Chinese, Indian or Korean names. Asian also take 7 seats out of top 10.

some more data about tp:
top 25, only 4 of them from TP.
top5, zero.

Just FYI.

But how is the Asian percentage of mathcounts an indicator of the success, or lack thereof, of the TPMS lottery? Is PP trying to suggest that the lottery only works if the list is now full of URMs?

With some noise, mathcounts top 48 list the set of the best mathletes in the county. The lottery only changes the name of the school that these mathletes list on their registration.

Mathcounts results simply indicate that lotteries may not foster mathematical excellence. Rather than continuously debating individual outcomes, I think the first step should be establishing subjective criteria to evaluate the overall success or failure of the lottery system. Without such subjective criteria, all the debates are off-target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

This is true. among the top 48 list who moved to the State level, more than 30 (I forgot the exact number) of them have a Chinese, Indian or Korean names. Asian also take 7 seats out of top 10.

some more data about tp:
top 25, only 4 of them from TP.
top5, zero.

Just FYI.

But how is the Asian percentage of mathcounts an indicator of the success, or lack thereof, of the TPMS lottery? Is PP trying to suggest that the lottery only works if the list is now full of URMs?

With some noise, mathcounts top 48 list the set of the best mathletes in the county. The lottery only changes the name of the school that these mathletes list on their registration.

Mathcounts results simply indicate that lotteries may not foster mathematical excellence. Rather than continuously debating individual outcomes, I think the first step should be establishing subjective criteria to evaluate the overall success or failure of the lottery system. Without such subjective criteria, all the debates are off-target.

I mean, Objective... what a mistake

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Newsflash: It's parents who prioritize their kids' education and spend on outside enrichment like AoPS or RSM. It was never MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Is this sarcasm or trolling?

This is true. among the top 48 list who moved to the State level, more than 30 (I forgot the exact number) of them have a Chinese, Indian or Korean names. Asian also take 7 seats out of top 10.

some more data about tp:
top 25, only 4 of them from TP.
top5, zero.

Just FYI.

But how is the Asian percentage of mathcounts an indicator of the success, or lack thereof, of the TPMS lottery? Is PP trying to suggest that the lottery only works if the list is now full of URMs?

With some noise, mathcounts top 48 list the set of the best mathletes in the county. The lottery only changes the name of the school that these mathletes list on their registration.

Mathcounts results simply indicate that lotteries may not foster mathematical excellence. Rather than continuously debating individual outcomes, I think the first step should be establishing subjective criteria to evaluate the overall success or failure of the lottery system. Without such subjective criteria, all the debates are off-target.

The lottery showed that more students than ever could benefit from this programming. MCPS, however, doesn't care about the top 10% just the bottom so they'll never expand these programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I guess this is proof that the lottery system worked. TPMS still did well and Potomac kids were not harmed by staying at their home school. Nice.

Absolutely not. Look at the names, 2/3 of them are still Asian. That means actually NOTHING CHANGED!

Newsflash: It's parents who prioritize their kids' education and spend on outside enrichment like AoPS or RSM. It was never MCPS.

agree