What is it called when someone does the same thing over and over again and doesn't learn from it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

If so, the advice still applies.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it that you haven't learned to stop offering advice? smh

+1

This is a two way road. Like why do you keep asking your slob spouse to pick up after himself?
Answer: you’re insane!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

If so, the advice still applies.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

Now answer for married with young kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

Kids makes it even more important to acknowledge the role you are playing in a dynamic like this and work on fixing it. NOT fixing your partner, who is who they are, but fixing this dysfunctional dynamic that will never yield anything positive, ever.

Or get divorced. I truly believe it's better for kids to come from a divorced home than one in which the marriage is toxic and dysfunctional, assuming the divorce can enable both partners to actually address their issues. But again, you STILL have to look at your own behavior and make better choices for yourself in this scenario.

This belief you have that it is 100% unilaterally your partner's fault, is in itself part of the problem.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

Now answer for married with young kids.

Still. applies.

Did someone make you get married? Is it an arranged marriage? Is there abuse? If so, okay, you're the victim and I hope you get the help you need.

But if you willingly married this person and had kids with them, you need to own up to the role you are playing in this dynamic and figure it out. This is what being a grown up is. You chose this person. Figure it out or get divorced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

Kids makes it even more important to acknowledge the role you are playing in a dynamic like this and work on fixing it. NOT fixing your partner, who is who they are, but fixing this dysfunctional dynamic that will never yield anything positive, ever.

Or get divorced. I truly believe it's better for kids to come from a divorced home than one in which the marriage is toxic and dysfunctional, assuming the divorce can enable both partners to actually address their issues. But again, you STILL have to look at your own behavior and make better choices for yourself in this scenario.

This belief you have that it is 100% unilaterally your partner's fault, is in itself part of the problem.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

Now answer for married with young kids.

Still. applies.

Did someone make you get married? Is it an arranged marriage? Is there abuse? If so, okay, you're the victim and I hope you get the help you need.

But if you willingly married this person and had kids with them, you need to own up to the role you are playing in this dynamic and figure it out. This is what being a grown up is. You chose this person. Figure it out or get divorced.

Let them figure it out. Just check out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

Kids makes it even more important to acknowledge the role you are playing in a dynamic like this and work on fixing it. NOT fixing your partner, who is who they are, but fixing this dysfunctional dynamic that will never yield anything positive, ever.

Or get divorced. I truly believe it's better for kids to come from a divorced home than one in which the marriage is toxic and dysfunctional, assuming the divorce can enable both partners to actually address their issues. But again, you STILL have to look at your own behavior and make better choices for yourself in this scenario.

This belief you have that it is 100% unilaterally your partner's fault, is in itself part of the problem.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

Now answer for married with young kids.

Still. applies.

Did someone make you get married? Is it an arranged marriage? Is there abuse? If so, okay, you're the victim and I hope you get the help you need.

But if you willingly married this person and had kids with them, you need to own up to the role you are playing in this dynamic and figure it out. This is what being a grown up is. You chose this person. Figure it out or get divorced.

Let them figure it out. Just check out.

Their choices directly effect the other spouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

If so, the advice still applies.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

No that doesn't make sense because how would someone poor choices reflect on the one person trying to help them over and over again. They're literally trying to help someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

Maybe they're married to them.

Kids makes it even more important to acknowledge the role you are playing in a dynamic like this and work on fixing it. NOT fixing your partner, who is who they are, but fixing this dysfunctional dynamic that will never yield anything positive, ever.

Or get divorced. I truly believe it's better for kids to come from a divorced home than one in which the marriage is toxic and dysfunctional, assuming the divorce can enable both partners to actually address their issues. But again, you STILL have to look at your own behavior and make better choices for yourself in this scenario.

This belief you have that it is 100% unilaterally your partner's fault, is in itself part of the problem.

And if you are in a marriage like this, there is even more likelihood that you are 50% to blame for the dysfunctional dynamic because unless you were forced or manipulated into marriage, it is a relationship who have as much control over as the other person. If you are at a point in your marriage where you look at the other person and think "this person is a screw up who makes the same bad choices over and over again and it's my job to tell them to stop even though they don't listen to me," then you need to be taking a looooooong look at yourself and your own choices that have enabled that dynamic to emerge.

Now answer for married with young kids.

Still. applies.

Did someone make you get married? Is it an arranged marriage? Is there abuse? If so, okay, you're the victim and I hope you get the help you need.

But if you willingly married this person and had kids with them, you need to own up to the role you are playing in this dynamic and figure it out. This is what being a grown up is. You chose this person. Figure it out or get divorced.

Let them figure it out. Just check out.

Their choices directly effect the other spouse.

Right, which is why you need to figure it out together.

[Anonymous]

What's it called when a grown adult makes the same mistakes over and over again and doesn't learn from it.

It is called being a DCUM poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's it called when a grown adult makes the same mistakes over and over again and doesn't learn from it. Complains about these things yet keeps doing them. You offer advise since they ask, but they keep doing it. For example at work they use the wrong wifi over and over again, wastes a hour on the phone with tech support (their words not mine) then realizes it and does this repeatedly. Complains about damage to their car hitting the same pot hole on the same street yet keeps doing it (there are two lanes they can just use the other lane!) We were all young before and got our hand burned on the stove and learned (metaphorically) and learned. Why won't this person learn? I'm going to say "Well I give you advise you don't take it so I'm done offering any" but don't want to be rude.

In psychology school (PhD) we would say the person lacks insight and has poor impulse control. The person could have trauma that needs to be addressed or dealt with.

[Anonymous]

Stupidity or creature of habit.

[Anonymous]

Inanity

[Anonymous]

Control issues OP. Let them be. They have to want to change. And if its just too annoying limit your time with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's called being a dumbass, OP.

It’s called Neuroatypical

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can stop offering advice without being rude about it or making a declaration. If they press you, just say "I really don't know -- I trust you to make good decisions for yourself."

IME, when are in situations like yours, there is often a symbiotic dynamic going on where the person who keeps messing up has come to rely on the other person for support and guidance, and the person providing that support and guidance almost *needs* the other person to be a screw up because it justifies their increasing condescension and superiority. You might bristle at this, but you should ask yourself why you maintain a relationship with someone you think so poorly of.

So I'd disrupt that dynamic. Stop giving advice. Tell them "I'm sure you'll figure it out." Change the subject to a movie you saw recently or the weather or politics or anything that isn't you giving them life advice and them saying "I know I know, you're right" and then not taking it.

They main gave work examples of someone there or complaining.

Maybe that person is just self deprecating?