Jwando bill- no more motor consent police searches

[Anonymous]

Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

[Anonymous]

Is there any other jurisdiction where this has been done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

I fail to see how a “weapon” (however you interpret the term) is of any danger to anyone simply being transported in a car.

I’m not speaking of a weapon being brandished or held or about to be used/being used - I just mean the stereotypical example of a gun or knife or baseball bat or golf club in the car. Those items don’t present a danger to anyone simply being in the car and transported around. There is no criminal intent there.

Police shouldn’t be able to search cars thinking they’ll turn up something that wasn’t being used nefariously to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Moco Council continues to push for the county to have all of the drawbacks of living in DC with none of the conveniences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

so if they don’t turn anything up, nbd. this is ONLY an issue because the searches result in finding contraband and result in arrests. 4th amendment protections already exist. this is a proposal quite transparently intended to result in fewer arrests for actually illegal things like guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

I fail to see how a “weapon” (however you interpret the term) is of any danger to anyone simply being transported in a car.

I’m not speaking of a weapon being brandished or held or about to be used/being used - I just mean the stereotypical example of a gun or knife or baseball bat or golf club in the car. Those items don’t present a danger to anyone simply being in the car and transported around. There is no criminal intent there.

Police shouldn’t be able to search cars thinking they’ll turn up something that wasn’t being used nefariously to begin with.

Here you go folks - the activists actually want people to be able to drive around with illegal guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, that pesky 4th Amendment, so frustrating!

If this was really a 4th Amendment issue, then there would be no need for a county law -- the federal side would take precedence. What's next, Jawando will propose a county law guaranteeing freedom of speech?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

so if they don’t turn anything up, nbd. this is ONLY an issue because the searches result in finding contraband and result in arrests. 4th amendment protections already exist. this is a proposal quite transparently intended to result in fewer arrests for actually illegal things like guns.

Wow. Then why not allow unmitigated searches of anyone anywhere for any reason?

You clearly do not understand the how and why the 4th amendment was created in the first place.

Using your logic we should just allow the state to search our homes every Tuesday just because why not? “If you don’t have anything to hide then what are you worried about”? SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

so if they don’t turn anything up, nbd. this is ONLY an issue because the searches result in finding contraband and result in arrests. 4th amendment protections already exist. this is a proposal quite transparently intended to result in fewer arrests for actually illegal things like guns.

Wow. Then why not allow unmitigated searches of anyone anywhere for any reason?

You clearly do not understand the how and why the 4th amendment was created in the first place.

Using your logic we should just allow the state to search our homes every Tuesday just because why not? “If you don’t have anything to hide then what are you worried about”? SMH

DP here. Illegal searches are challenged by the defendant and thrown out of court. We already have such protectinons. Why do we need a county law on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

so if they don’t turn anything up, nbd. this is ONLY an issue because the searches result in finding contraband and result in arrests. 4th amendment protections already exist. this is a proposal quite transparently intended to result in fewer arrests for actually illegal things like guns.

Wow. Then why not allow unmitigated searches of anyone anywhere for any reason?

You clearly do not understand the how and why the 4th amendment was created in the first place.

Using your logic we should just allow the state to search our homes every Tuesday just because why not? “If you don’t have anything to hide then what are you worried about”? SMH

DP here. Illegal searches are challenged by the defendant and thrown out of court. We already have such protectinons. Why do we need a county law on this?

Because we are talking about consent searches and not illegal searches. The practices of the county police are clearly under the purview of the county level elected leaders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

Not even a tiny fraction of these searches turn up any such thing. You have no real world experience about any of this. You are using a red herring to distract from reality.

so if they don’t turn anything up, nbd. this is ONLY an issue because the searches result in finding contraband and result in arrests. 4th amendment protections already exist. this is a proposal quite transparently intended to result in fewer arrests for actually illegal things like guns.

Wow. Then why not allow unmitigated searches of anyone anywhere for any reason?

You clearly do not understand the how and why the 4th amendment was created in the first place.

Using your logic we should just allow the state to search our homes every Tuesday just because why not? “If you don’t have anything to hide then what are you worried about”? SMH

DP here. Illegal searches are challenged by the defendant and thrown out of court. We already have such protectinons. Why do we need a county law on this?

Because we are talking about consent searches and not illegal searches. The practices of the county police are clearly under the purview of the county level elected leaders.

People who consent to a search need to be protected from.. their own decisions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state.

Zero sympathy if the “ordinary citizen” has an illegal weapon in the car.

I fail to see how a “weapon” (however you interpret the term) is of any danger to anyone simply being transported in a car.

I’m not speaking of a weapon being brandished or held or about to be used/being used - I just mean the stereotypical example of a gun or knife or baseball bat or golf club in the car. Those items don’t present a danger to anyone simply being in the car and transported around. There is no criminal intent there.

Police shouldn’t be able to search cars thinking they’ll turn up something that wasn’t being used nefariously to begin with.

Cops don't take legally transported weapons. They take the illegal ones. And those are absolutely on their way to hurt someone. https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-suspects-commit-armed-robbery-at-ethiopian-restaurant-in-silver-spring

[Anonymous]

And this.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=44730