If Gypsy Rose Blanchard was indeed a victim of Munchausen by proxy…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She's an odd person to fixate on defending, or deflecting responsibility for her actions on others.

I don’t think that’s what the OP is doing - just being dumbfounded at the cracks in the system

[Anonymous]

Time to wake up, then.

The amount of wage theft per year in the US is around 50 billion dollars per year, despite the layers of regulatory agencies supposed to be providing oversight. [1] The tobacco industry deliberately lied on a massive scale in order to addict (and end up killing) millions of people before government oversight finally caught up. [2]

This is about underfunded systems of oversight combined with a culture that (understandably and defensibly) prioritizes individual liberty and relies on "innocent until proven guilty" in the legal framework. The effectiveness or not of CPS in cases like these isn't notable -- it's common. This is how just about everything works, and you count the wins for justice when you see them, and you live with the injustice as a component of a system that -- of necessity -- is hampered by moving slowly.

It's still the best system we have. Thinking it's perfect is a child's view that should be discarded fairly early in your life and replaced with a more pragmatic and realistic sense of how hard these fights are.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/wage-theft-us-workers-employees

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/big-tobacco-finally-tells-truth-court-ordered-ad-campaign-n823136

[Anonymous]

If a government employee made a mistake, wouldn't they get fired?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a government employee made a mistake, wouldn't they get fired?

What do you do for a living, and how old are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Combo of falling through the cracks and expert manipulation by the mother. Whenever someone would get suspicious, she’d change doctors or move towns/parrishes. She drugged gypsy and coached her to lie.

OP here. Aren't CPS workers trained to identify manipulation and lies?

Children remain in very abusive situations because their parents lie. CPS has rules they must abide by and judges have left children with abusive parents and the parents have gone on to abuse, maim, and even kill their children with no remorse. Some people are extremely manipulative and have no problem lying to CPS, courts, judges, family, friends, teachers, neighbors. There are people in this world that operate on a different system that normal people don’t understand because normal people can’t imagine the depth of depravity that can exist in the human mind.

Then there are CPS that are burned out or don’t care. The system is broken and overwhelmed.

OP here. Of course parents lie but aren't social workers supposed to question the child without the parent present?

[Anonymous]

Have you never seen anyone in private industry make a mistake and not get fired? Some do, and for most mistakes that happen in the course of a day, many do not -- it's often hard to prove culpability, or the facts are in dispute, etc. There are even more hoops in government to fire someone than in private industry.

Nothing is A-1 perfect in either. To ask these questions is either to be literally childlike, or to be engaged in some pretty disingenuous posturing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Combo of falling through the cracks and expert manipulation by the mother. Whenever someone would get suspicious, she’d change doctors or move towns/parrishes. She drugged gypsy and coached her to lie.

OP here. Aren't CPS workers trained to identify manipulation and lies?

Children remain in very abusive situations because their parents lie. CPS has rules they must abide by and judges have left children with abusive parents and the parents have gone on to abuse, maim, and even kill their children with no remorse. Some people are extremely manipulative and have no problem lying to CPS, courts, judges, family, friends, teachers, neighbors. There are people in this world that operate on a different system that normal people don’t understand because normal people can’t imagine the depth of depravity that can exist in the human mind.

Then there are CPS that are burned out or don’t care. The system is broken and overwhelmed.

OP here. Of course parents lie but aren't social workers supposed to question the child without the parent present?

Have you ever questioned a child who does not know you?

And you obviously did not read the article, because Gypsy Rose Blanchard talks about not telling the truth when she was asked alone. For the love of god, please at least read the article, if the answers are supposed to matter to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a government employee made a mistake, wouldn't they get fired?

CPS are state workers. Rarely get fired.

They are over worked in most places.

And many judges tie their hands ie removal from bio parents is very hard particularily in red states.

Florida is a haven for these monster parents.

Ex. My sister had a foster son. His parents were both white upper middle class drug addicts. Grandparents wanted nothing to do with him.

He was placed in foster care age 3 months one of his mothers new BF's beat him badly. My sister was his foster parent from age 3 months to 5. The judge gave his parents multiple chances. The Dad brought the boy back to CPS and gave up all rights (he wanted better for his son) age 3. The mom had 5 kids under the age of 5 when she was released from jail CPS gave her an apartment all 5 kids no bus line no transportation. She was to get. a job with zero help. How do you all think this turned out?

The judge in this case refused to sever the bio mothers rights even after she didn't feed the kids, didn't bathe them, left them with strangers ie druggies who did horrible things to them.

CPS in red states worthless.

Yeah the system sucks.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, the above scenario happens, and not just in red states.

[Anonymous]

I've had a patient with Munchausens. Factitious disorder is actually really hard to realize. Pretty much the only reason my hospital picked up on it was because she was being refused at all other hospitals in the area and didn't have the means to travel outside our state. And my hospital didn't refuse patients except in rare circumstances. So after years of her coming in, the pieces started coming together and it became clear.

It's not as simple as saying "oh I'm having stomach problems". She would injest substances to cause stomach problems so that she needed at the very least, exploratory surgery. When she had a Port, she injected herself with other substances (she eventually got caught doing this) so she would get sick. I could write pages of all the ways she fooled us.

So yeah, it is actually pretty easy to get away with it if you're smart about it, which her mom obviously was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wasn’t CPS involved?

Some of the doctors who examined Gypsy had found no evidence of the disorders Dee Dee claimed. Further more, family members suspected Dee Dee of harming Gypsy and even poisoning her own stepmother. Doctors are mandated reporters in every state. Did they not report or something?

I can't help it, I look at her and see pure evil.She masterminded a murder and orchestrated it down to special knocks to indicate it as over. She is the very definition of a sociopath. This "marriage" she is in I give a year. She is on a publicity blitz, thinking she will become famous (which I realize she is for all the wrong reasons). I don't think her story will end well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a government employee made a mistake, wouldn't they get fired?

CPS are state workers. Rarely get fired.

They are over worked in most places.

And many judges tie their hands ie removal from bio parents is very hard particularily in red states.

Florida is a haven for these monster parents.

Ex. My sister had a foster son. His parents were both white upper middle class drug addicts. Grandparents wanted nothing to do with him.

He was placed in foster care age 3 months one of his mothers new BF's beat him badly. My sister was his foster parent from age 3 months to 5. The judge gave his parents multiple chances. The Dad brought the boy back to CPS and gave up all rights (he wanted better for his son) age 3. The mom had 5 kids under the age of 5 when she was released from jail CPS gave her an apartment all 5 kids no bus line no transportation. She was to get. a job with zero help. How do you all think this turned out?

The judge in this case refused to sever the bio mothers rights even after she didn't feed the kids, didn't bathe them, left them with strangers ie druggies who did horrible things to them.

CPS in red states worthless.

Yeah the system sucks.

The system’s goal has historically been family reunification, when it should be the best interests of the child.

I can’t even volunteer to help them because I am so opposed to this underlying premise. It sickens me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Combo of falling through the cracks and expert manipulation by the mother. Whenever someone would get suspicious, she’d change doctors or move towns/parrishes. She drugged gypsy and coached her to lie.

+1

[Anonymous]

Yet compare this to the other case “Take care of Maya” where over zealous doctors accused the mother and kept her away causing a catastrophic ending

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Combo of falling through the cracks and expert manipulation by the mother. Whenever someone would get suspicious, she’d change doctors or move towns/parrishes. She drugged gypsy and coached her to lie.

OP here. Aren't CPS workers trained to identify manipulation and lies?

Children remain in very abusive situations because their parents lie. CPS has rules they must abide by and judges have left children with abusive parents and the parents have gone on to abuse, maim, and even kill their children with no remorse. Some people are extremely manipulative and have no problem lying to CPS, courts, judges, family, friends, teachers, neighbors. There are people in this world that operate on a different system that normal people don’t understand because normal people can’t imagine the depth of depravity that can exist in the human mind.

Then there are CPS that are burned out or don’t care. The system is broken and overwhelmed.

+1