where are 3.7-3.8 kids getting into this year from Big3 schools?
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Anonymous
If your dc is presently a junior or senior in college, their stats would not be of any relevance compared to this year's seniors. During early years of Covid it was much easier to get into colleges due to kids taking gap years; plus their was a significant college admissions' priorities in terms of race making it much harder for non-minorities for the HS class of 2022 and 2023, and this year the Supreme Court's ruling all bets are off this year. |
Anonymous
| ^^^Freshman year of high school on above. |
Anonymous
Absolutely not true. You will need a 3.9+ with high rigor for Brown, Penn, and Dartmouth unless hooked. Also, legacy is unofficially no longer a factor at Brown and Penn. Your statement is totally backwards. At my DC’s Big 3, the Princeton, Yale, and Harvard admits had the highest % legacy/VIP and much lower GPAs. On academic merit alone, the non HYP Ivies seem to be getting the higher caliber students from the Big 3 over last 3 cycles. |
Anonymous
This is what I'm noticing too. HYPBP are like 3.95-4.0 with highest rigor classes from our Big3. Legacies go maybe 0.1 point lower (like a 3.85-3.9). Sports recruits and URM go lower than that. |
Anonymous
Do you actually follow the GPAs of other kids at you kid’s school? Why would you do so? |
Anonymous
There were two years when kids taking gap years helped boost admissions: class of 2020 and 2021. Many schools had a surge that made them have to rent hotels for dorm space in 2021. The following year was the worst because all the gap year kids were back, the gap year craze died back to normal numbers, and the colleges were not willing to buy extra dorm space again and were unsure of yield, all of which created a perfect storm to shrink the spots for class of 2022. Example, and it trickles down to other colleges from here: Harvard 2020, 2037 admitted (5%) plus 34 from the waitlist. Harvard 2021, 2313 admitted (4%.) Number of applicants grew by 43%, while number of students admitted grew by 15% to fill the gap years. Zero from the waitlist. Then the corrective backlash: Harvard 2022, they dropped to 1954 admits (359 fewer spots than the prior year), but also another surge in applicants by almost 7% creating the highest yet number of applicants yet, thus a mere 3.2% admission rate. This number was slightly corrected with 36 WL admissions. A lot of schools aggressively used the waitlist to manage the class size that year. This was the same story across most schools, fewer spots for new first years (including on sports teams), so a lot of kids fell several tiers (making this a very strong class of students of lower tier schools). Harvard 2023, 1966 admitted (4.5%), 27 from the waitlist [note different outlets are reporting different numbers, but this is form Harvard], which is still low but getting close to being back to admission numbers from pre-Covid: 2019 admissions: 1990 (5.3%), but the surge in applicants continues so the admissions rate is not normalizing. Compare for fun, just 10 years ago, 2014, 2110 (7%). And for you parents in the Harvard class of 1992, here's a throwback from 1988 when you were applying: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1988/7/8/freshman-class-sets-application-records-pthe/ ("Not only did the College receive a record 14,430 applicants, but the number it admitted was one of the lowest in years, with an acceptance rate of only 14.6 percent...."). Last year, Harvard received 43,330 applicants. Bottom line, Class of 2022 will go down in history as the worst year to apply to college. |
Anonymous
Where are you getting the information that “legacy is unofficially no longer a factor at Brown and Penn”? |
Anonymous
| I too am fascinated horrified that everybody seems to know the grade point averages of the kids who get into the most exclusive schools. And is it really so important that someone has a 3.8 compared to a 3.7? I would like to think that what matters to a college is more than a decimal point, which could be due to a weak paper somebody wrote while they were sick or in a sports tournament, or to one teacher being a harder greater than another. maybe this is my naïve bubble of my oldest kid being in seventh grade, but please tell me that junior and senior year are not filled with this level of grubbiness for kids and parents at private schools. |
Anonymous
| Wait till you "shocked, shocked" parents hear about SCOIR and Naviance. It'll blow your mind. |
Anonymous
uh, the high schools give all parents of juniors/seniors the GPA/test scores of every kid who applied the previous year to each university and was accepted and every kid who applied and was rejected. It's not something parents go looking for--it's given out. And yes, you can look at the data (as it's graphed out) and there are definite "lines in the sand" when it comes to GPAs. Most universities don't admit below a certain GPA. For many top universities the line is around a 3.8. Sucks to be you if you had a harder teacher or you were sick or whatever. Life isn't fair and some kids will learn that lesson in high school. |
Anonymous
| Does double legacy help? |
Anonymous
| You all are misinformed. At least our big three does not do GPA. |
Anonymous
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FWIW, unless STA has changed its policy, you can only look at Naviance in the CCO office. Some may hate that, but I appreciated it. Made the whole process less about trying to read the tea leaves.
CCO said my kids’ grades were in range pretty much everywhere so whether he was admitted would likely depend on other factors. I think my kid had a 93 at end of junior year with a high level of rigor (you get no bump for honors classes). |
Anonymous
| By pretty much everywhere, the only school they advised was too high of a reach was MIT (he got a B+ in BC Calc). |
Anonymous
No way...not at our Big 3. Cornell and Brown need a hook - maybe one 3.9+ will sneak in. |