Grade inflation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Inflated or deflated relative to what?

I don't know, but I think it is probably fair to say that if only 2 seniors have a 4.0, but more than half the class has SAT scores over 1400, there is probably some grade deflation happening.

Well, they all have private SAT tutors and take the SAT multiple times so I’m not sure you can connect SAT scores to grade deflation.

Wish they would allow only one SAT or ACT.

Why? It would just mean tutoring and practice tests for those with money to pay for it before they take the tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inflated or deflated relative to what?

I don't know, but I think it is probably fair to say that if only 2 seniors have a 4.0, but more than half the class has SAT scores over 1400, there is probably some grade deflation happening.

Well, they all have private SAT tutors and take the SAT multiple times so I’m not sure you can connect SAT scores to grade deflation.

Wish they would allow only one SAT or ACT.

Why? It would just mean tutoring and practice tests for those with money to pay for it before they take the tests.

Great. Take the P-for-Practice PSAT. Get tutoring. But then you get one shot, not four. Schools aren’t using them anyway.

[Anonymous]

Troll post. Have kids at 2 different rigorous privates. Holton expects a high level of precision, especially in writing for English. Most classes do not allow retakes. They do give grades on homework/projects in some classes versus just grading based on assessments alone so they have more opportunity to improve their grades, but grading is rigorous there and depending on the class, there can be a boatload of homework.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Inflated or deflated relative to what?

To what would be a fair grade.

And different schools (plus teachers within those schools) have wildly varying definitions of what constitutes a "fair" grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inflated or deflated relative to what?

To what would be a fair grade.

And different schools (plus teachers within those schools) have wildly varying definitions of what constitutes a "fair" grade.

Then how would you compare with any other school?

[Anonymous]

You can't in any meaningful way, but so what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can't in any meaningful way, but so what?

Then grade inflation/deflation is not relative and comparing your school to any other is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that so many posters bring up public schools when the forum and the thread are about private schools.

What do you mean? I think in this context, there is not a lot of grade inflation at privates and it is helpful to think of the whole universe of what is out there. Didn't think it seemed strange.

Sorry to bust your bubble but grade inflation is 3 times higher in private schools than public schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

[Anonymous]

Does grade inflation include parents pressuring for higher grades because they are not paying 50k for their kid to get C’s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that so many posters bring up public schools when the forum and the thread are about private schools.

What do you mean? I think in this context, there is not a lot of grade inflation at privates and it is helpful to think of the whole universe of what is out there. Didn't think it seemed strange.

Sorry to bust your bubble but grade inflation is 3 times higher in private schools than public schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

I thought it was common knowledge that private schools inflate grades. Public schools have students with all different ranges of ability. A student in a special Ed class who has a severe learning disability might get an A English Lit where the reading was a lot lighter than Honors Lit where the student gets a B even though her work was superior to the other students.

Private schools pick and choose students pretty much with all the same ability. They need to be very aware of their reputation and be recognized as a top notch school sending students to the very best colleges. It’s a business and it wouldn’t look good if their chosen students were B students. Grade inflation helps that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Inflated or deflated relative to what?

I don't know, but I think it is probably fair to say that if only 2 seniors have a 4.0, but more than half the class has SAT scores over 1400, there is probably some grade deflation happening.

Kids can score well on the tests thanks to outside prep over long stretches of time. You only get one semester to get the grade so the number of retakes is less. This is why some universities have stopped using the the tests, they’re a proxy for money at this point. Review the data tables that show the scores relative to HHI, the correlation is tied to income, not grade deflation. If you’re at a school that has grade inflation what exactly is the problem?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that so many posters bring up public schools when the forum and the thread are about private schools.

What do you mean? I think in this context, there is not a lot of grade inflation at privates and it is helpful to think of the whole universe of what is out there. Didn't think it seemed strange.

Sorry to bust your bubble but grade inflation is 3 times higher in private schools than public schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

Nope. At my daughter's all girls private, she has never been offered a test retake and so far only one teacher has dropped a grade in the class and it was because every single student did horribly. Her grades reflect the hard work she puts in. Public schools allow retakes and many have the 50% rule where if you do nothing at all, you get nothing below a 50 on a test or assignment. Also, at MCPS, a student can get an A for the semester if they get a 79 in one quarter and 89 in other quarter. So not one grade is actually an A, but the student gets an A on the transcript.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that so many posters bring up public schools when the forum and the thread are about private schools.

What do you mean? I think in this context, there is not a lot of grade inflation at privates and it is helpful to think of the whole universe of what is out there. Didn't think it seemed strange.

Sorry to bust your bubble but grade inflation is 3 times higher in private schools than public schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

I thought it was common knowledge that private schools inflate grades. Public schools have students with all different ranges of ability. A student in a special Ed class who has a severe learning disability might get an A English Lit where the reading was a lot lighter than Honors Lit where the student gets a B even though her work was superior to the other students.

Private schools pick and choose students pretty much with all the same ability. They need to be very aware of their reputation and be recognized as a top notch school sending students to the very best colleges. It’s a business and it wouldn’t look good if their chosen students were B students. Grade inflation helps that.

Not at our private and especially for the advanced classes. It is the opposite. Very very hard to get an A. My spouse works in subject matter for one class and it is harder than what he saw in upper level college. It is also frustrating because our school got rid of AP and now students are worried about getting in college. There is not a good way to differentiate the curriculum to colleges. I think some posters are either trolls or clueless about how difficult elite private schools like a Holton are to get As.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that so many posters bring up public schools when the forum and the thread are about private schools.

What do you mean? I think in this context, there is not a lot of grade inflation at privates and it is helpful to think of the whole universe of what is out there. Didn't think it seemed strange.

Sorry to bust your bubble but grade inflation is 3 times higher in private schools than public schools.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

I thought it was common knowledge that private schools inflate grades. Public schools have students with all different ranges of ability. A student in a special Ed class who has a severe learning disability might get an A English Lit where the reading was a lot lighter than Honors Lit where the student gets a B even though her work was superior to the other students.

Private schools pick and choose students pretty much with all the same ability. They need to be very aware of their reputation and be recognized as a top notch school sending students to the very best colleges. It’s a business and it wouldn’t look good if their chosen students were B students. Grade inflation helps that.

Not at our private and especially for the advanced classes. It is the opposite. Very very hard to get an A. My spouse works in subject matter for one class and it is harder than what he saw in upper level college. It is also frustrating because our school got rid of AP and now students are worried about getting in college. There is not a good way to differentiate the curriculum to colleges. I think some posters are either trolls or clueless about how difficult elite private schools like a Holton are to get As.

Regional college admissions officers become pretty intimately knowledgable about the curriculum and grading policies in individual schools within their region. They also know the track records of students who matriculated from those schools. I would not worry. My son came out of a private school with a 4.14 GPA and got into almost every school he applied to including his top choice which is a T20 plus full ride to Maryland (which he turned down). His public school friends had GPAs of up to 4.7 and didn't do any better than he did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does grade inflation include parents pressuring for higher grades because they are not paying 50k for their kid to get C’s?

Kids who are consistently getting Cs are counseled out.