NYT and school closures

[Anonymous]

Stop being hypocrites. None of you give two shits about the impact that school closures had on society or education in general. All you care about is how much it inconvenienced you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virtually no one is surprised by this. Some of us, however, get that schools were closed in an effort to reduce lives and illnesses in the face of an unprecedented (at least in our lifetime) pandemic. Obviously people can differ in their opinions regarding the success and the costs of these efforts.

+1 I'm so tired of hearing about this

I will never understand this. You are tired of hearing evidence that the consequences of school closures are greater than are currently acknowledged by politicians and educators? Why? Shouldn't we want data showing how school closures affected students?

right? you would think the people who were most scared of covid that they accepted the school closures would be even MORE motivated to research whether they worked or not. Don’t they want to really know which mitigations work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virtually no one is surprised by this. Some of us, however, get that schools were closed in an effort to reduce lives and illnesses in the face of an unprecedented (at least in our lifetime) pandemic. Obviously people can differ in their opinions regarding the success and the costs of these efforts.

Disagree. No one can sensibly think our policy was successful. We threw away children for the marginal benefit of folks in powerful unions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

Not true. Vaccines were available starting end of December 2020. My kids weren’t back in school “normally” until fall 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

Agree never is too severe. For some schools a week or two in Spring of 2020, for others through the end of Spring 2020. With rare exceptions schools should have been in session in the Fall of 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Too little too late - NYT was on the front lines of advocating school closures.

Agree. And Democrats closed schools.

You did this; own it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

Agree never is too severe. For some schools a week or two in Spring of 2020, for others through the end of Spring 2020. With rare exceptions schools should have been in session in the Fall of 2020.

“Just two more weeks.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

Not true. Vaccines were available starting end of December 2020. My kids weren’t back in school “normally” until fall 2021.

Ok. But they were back in school by Feb/Mar 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

Not true. Vaccines were available starting end of December 2020. My kids weren’t back in school “normally” until fall 2021.

Ok. But they were back in school by Feb/Mar 2021.

And vaccines weren’t easily available until Jan/Feb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virtually no one is surprised by this. Some of us, however, get that schools were closed in an effort to reduce lives and illnesses in the face of an unprecedented (at least in our lifetime) pandemic. Obviously people can differ in their opinions regarding the success and the costs of these efforts.

Disagree. No one can sensibly think our policy was successful. We threw away children for the marginal benefit of folks in powerful unions.

Not true. Many families were concerned about in-person before vaccines.

And schools were virtual in areas without powerful unions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

In other countries kids were in school before vaccines were available. I live in Ontario and my kids were in school full time in the fall of 2020 (with masks). It was fine.

American private school kids were also in school full time in the fall of 2020, as were kids in certain states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing took NYT until 2023 to recognize what anyone with a couple of brain cells knew in 2021.

Never should have shut down the schools. No need. Fauci and Weingarten did so much harm, but are revered by many.

How long did they advocate for them to be closed?

I disagree with 'never'. It was a novel virus and it made sense in the Spring of 2020. There were many unknowns and weren't there initial closures in all 50 states?

No schools should have been closed in 2021.

As the vaccine became available, kids went back to the classroom.

Not true. Vaccines were available starting end of December 2020. My kids weren’t back in school “normally” until fall 2021.

Ok. But they were back in school by Feb/Mar 2021.

And vaccines weren’t easily available until Jan/Feb.

And many people couldn't get them until April/May 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virtually no one is surprised by this. Some of us, however, get that schools were closed in an effort to reduce lives and illnesses in the face of an unprecedented (at least in our lifetime) pandemic. Obviously people can differ in their opinions regarding the success and the costs of these efforts.

Disagree. No one can sensibly think our policy was successful. We threw away children for the marginal benefit of folks in powerful unions.

Not true. Many families were concerned about in-person before vaccines.

And schools were virtual in areas without powerful unions.

NP.

The fact stated by the PP you responded to remains:

“No one can sensibly think our policy was successful.”

You can quibble over little details. But the NYT, Sweden and other developed nations, (and that PP) are right.

Closing schools was a terrible idea and wrongly decided.