MAP-R score dipped

[Anonymous]

I told my kid to bomb the fall test so her growth scores were better. Parent like me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Happens to both my kids from time to time. Don’t worry about it. They also are not going to take away ELC.

Thank you. On dcum there is hardly anyone who is not 99th percentile! It is reassuring to know my kid is not the only one whose scores dipped.

[Anonymous]

Don’t worry, OP.

My kids are teens now and despite occasional ups and downs, their scores went up until high school, where they stagnated because at that point it gets harder to increase your score.

Sometimes after a big jump ahead, the score stabilizes or decreases the year after. That happens too.

[Anonymous]

OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Okay, but they also have a cut off of 85th percentile for inclusion in the lottery. If a kid was so borderline that a slight drop in the fall of 5th grade put them under the cutoff for the 85th percentile, they might not have been a good fit for the middle school magnet to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens to both my kids from time to time. Don’t worry about it. They also are not going to take away ELC.

Thank you. On dcum there is hardly anyone who is not 99th percentile! It is reassuring to know my kid is not the only one whose scores dipped.

My kid has always scored in the 99th percentile and her scores have dipped sometimes. One does not exclude the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Okay, but they also have a cut off of 85th percentile for inclusion in the lottery. If a kid was so borderline that a slight drop in the fall of 5th grade put them under the cutoff for the 85th percentile, they might not have been a good fit for the middle school magnet to begin with.

That is correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Okay, but they also have a cut off of 85th percentile for inclusion in the lottery. If a kid was so borderline that a slight drop in the fall of 5th grade put them under the cutoff for the 85th percentile, they might not have been a good fit for the middle school magnet to begin with.

Exposure-based tests like MAP are not great indicators of ability, interest and need to stretch that are supposed to be the focus of the magnets. They are also rather gameable by families with means seeking to increase their relative liklihood of selection over those without.

Besides, magnet-type education would be of benefit to a cohort far broader than that represented by the tippy-top, especially when making that evaluation at a single point in time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens to both my kids from time to time. Don’t worry about it. They also are not going to take away ELC.

Thank you. On dcum there is hardly anyone who is not 99th percentile! It is reassuring to know my kid is not the only one whose scores dipped.

My kid has always scored in the 99th percentile and her scores have dipped sometimes. One does not exclude the other.

Mine too! One went down to just 30 over the 99%!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Okay, but they also have a cut off of 85th percentile for inclusion in the lottery. If a kid was so borderline that a slight drop in the fall of 5th grade put them under the cutoff for the 85th percentile, they might not have been a good fit for the middle school magnet to begin with.

Exposure-based tests like MAP are not great indicators of ability, interest and need to stretch that are supposed to be the focus of the magnets. They are also rather gameable by families with means seeking to increase their relative liklihood of selection over those without.

Besides, magnet-type education would be of benefit to a cohort far broader than that represented by the tippy-top, especially when making that evaluation at a single point in time.

I know! I liked the CogAT better because only really wealthy families can afford the elite tutoring that it requires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- thanks for reassuring responses. If its common for the scores to go up and down then its unfair for MCPS to use these scores for CES and magnet school qualification criteria. And I know that thats’ what they use for CES and they use the specific Fall(middle school magnet) or Winter (CES) test scores.

Okay, but they also have a cut off of 85th percentile for inclusion in the lottery. If a kid was so borderline that a slight drop in the fall of 5th grade put them under the cutoff for the 85th percentile, they might not have been a good fit for the middle school magnet to begin with.

Exposure-based tests like MAP are not great indicators of ability, interest and need to stretch that are supposed to be the focus of the magnets. They are also rather gameable by families with means seeking to increase their relative liklihood of selection over those without.

Besides, magnet-type education would be of benefit to a cohort far broader than that represented by the tippy-top, especially when making that evaluation at a single point in time.

I think we all agree that there are more kids who would benefit from magnet classes than there are spots, and I think parents (particularly of younger kids) should be advocating for localization of the magnet curriculum with cohorts inside the home school. But if we assume that number isn't increasing immediately, MCPS needs to find some way to pick kids and there is no perfect system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens to both my kids from time to time. Don’t worry about it. They also are not going to take away ELC.

Thank you. On dcum there is hardly anyone who is not 99th percentile! It is reassuring to know my kid is not the only one whose scores dipped.

My kid has always scored in the 99th percentile and her scores have dipped sometimes. One does not exclude the other.

OP here. Then your statement is wrong. If your child always scores in the 99th percentile and the scores dipped and he still remains in the 99th percentile that is not the same thing as someone who scored in the 97th percentile and the scores dipped and he is now in the 89th or 85th percentile. That is not the same thing at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens to both my kids from time to time. Don’t worry about it. They also are not going to take away ELC.

Thank you. On dcum there is hardly anyone who is not 99th percentile! It is reassuring to know my kid is not the only one whose scores dipped.

My kid has always scored in the 99th percentile and her scores have dipped sometimes. One does not exclude the other.

OP here. Then your statement is wrong. If your child always scores in the 99th percentile and the scores dipped and he still remains in the 99th percentile that is not the same thing as someone who scored in the 97th percentile and the scores dipped and he is now in the 89th or 85th percentile. That is not the same thing at all.

OP, you need treatment. This kind of fixation is not healthy.

[Anonymous]

Also, not only do they use specific MAP tests for CES or magnet schools they use those within the school too to make reading groups and place students in ELC or compacted math. How is that fair then?