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Anonymous
Worldwide togetherness: We all kill each other in the name of the same God. 
BTW, I think Jesus was a touch of satire up there, no? But maybe Abraham was also. I never thought of the fact that there was a parallel between Abraham and Jesus -- the father who almost sacrificed his son and the Son who was sacrificed by his Father. I hope that's not sacrilege. |
Anonymous
| No better way to beat terrorists who want to destroy our way of life then by... destroying our way of life! Constitution be damned, stop those Muslimists! |
Anonymous
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So the Mosque is being built on Park Place, two blocks away and I'm guessing a block from Church Street. Which is named that because that's where the Churches are. St. Paul's, St. Peter's, Trinity Church.
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Anonymous
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"At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.
"Go home," several shouted from the crowd. "Get out," others shouted. In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque. "I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face. But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety." http://www.northjersey.com/news/opinions/kelly/95748769_On_this_ground__zero_tolerance.html?page=all America... fuck yea! |
Anonymous
| So interesting how most of the comments here are pro building the mosque. I was reading this story on CNN's website and almost all of the comments there were of the "hell no, so disrespectful" variety. DC really is so far to the left of the rest of the country. (FWIW, I don't have a problem with the mosque, but my DH thinks I've lost my mind) |
Anonymous
Funny they were protesting the building of a mosque in a Christian country. Egypt has banned or severely limited the building of churches for years and years, so they of all people should see the hypocrisy there. Government shouldn't be banning religious buildings based solely on religion. Other zoning issues? Fine. But not just because it's the most hated religion of the day. |
Anonymous
To protest the mosque is to condemn all of Islam because of an insane and violent faction of it. It's like condemning all of Christianity because of the Westboro Baptist Church. Neither is representative of most of the religions' respective adherents. |
Anonymous
I can see how this would break down along political lines but should we automatically assume that anyone who thinks it's okay to build a mosque there is left-liberal? I've got to believe that there are some conservative commentators who believe this too. Because blaming Islam for the 20 or so fundamentalist mostly Saudi guys who brought about 9/11 is like blaming Christianity for the Holocaust. |
Anonymous
I don't think this is a left/right issue, though it is being portrayed that way. People who were killed on 9/11 came from all sides of the aisle, so there is equal likelihood that, regardless of your political philosophy, you were impacted by the events of that day. Now, not all people responded the same, and perhaps that was informed by political ideology, but I know it was still not a black and white issue. Ultimately, this comes down to whether you believe the Bill of Rights applies to everyone in this country or just a select few. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion... all of those rights would be trampled if this mosque was blocked because of anything outside of existing zoning laws or anything else that is completely free of religious or political bias. The right often likes to portray themselves as strict Constitutionalists (particularly with regards to the 2nd Ammendment). If we really want to paint this as a left/right issue, with the left in support of the mosque and the right against, then essentially the right is aligning itself with direct opposition to the Bill of Rights. Obviously, they are entitled to their opinions and their protests. But I think it's fair to say that the protests are predicated upon ignorance (the idea that Islam itself is responsible for 9/11), intolerance, or a complete disregard for the rights of American citizens. To me, that is not left vs right; it's rational vs irrational. If you believe in freedom of religion, there is no basis for opposing this mosque. As the article I linked to states: "The incident underscores how contentious — and, perhaps, how irrational — the debate over the mosque has become. A mosque, for instance, has been located since 1983 on West Broadway, about 12 blocks from Ground Zero. After the 9/11 attacks, the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, began shaping plans to build an Islamic cultural center closer to Ground Zero as part of an attempt to build cultural ties between Islam and America." There is nothing controversial about the building of this mosque. Calling it a "controversy" implies that there are two legitimate but opposed viewpoints. There are not in this case. There are rational people, on both sides of the aisle, who recognize the legitimacy of this mosque. And there are irrational people who think that Constitutionally guaranteed rights are only guaranteed for some. |
Anonymous
I agree with you, but I have not heard any Fox News people saying that this was a good idea. Theoretically though, you're completely right, in my opinion. |
Anonymous
| I dont know if blaming Christianity for the Holocaust is analogous. the Nazis didn't kill jews in the name of Christianity. Having said that, I don't see why a mosque would be so inflammatory to people. There were muslims who died on 9/11 as well. |
Anonymous
Well, to say that 9/11 was carried out in the name of Islam is a bit inaccurate as well. Bin Laden's primary objection to the US started when the Saudi government allowed US Military Installations into Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden viewed this as a grave insult because of the location of Islam's most sacred sites there. From there, his rhetoric has become increasingly religiously based as a means of recruiting people. So, while the comparison to the Holocaust is not the most apt, neither is describing 9/11 as done in the name of Islam. Bin Laden and al Qaeda's viewpoint is that they are responding to acts of aggression/disrespect by America against Islamic people and nations. |
Anonymous
I think the issue is that people who are up in arms about the mosque are likely to comment on the story. If the neighborhood council that actually contains the area votes 29-1 in favor of the mosque, you can be sure this is not a DC thing. |
Anonymous
This is actually explained by the fact that--aside from the right to guns for white christians, and the right not to pay taxes--modern American "conservatives" could not give two shits about the Bill of Rights in particular, or personal freedom in general. |
Anonymous
I don't think the Auschwitz case is about blaming Christianity for the death of the Jews, but rather the insensitivity of appearing to ignore the Jewish deaths by turning the site into a Christian shrine. I don't know whether that makes it any more parallel to the situation here. |