Jobs and elite colleges

[Anonymous]

maybe for your first job but after that nobody cares where you went to school or your major.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I played D1 lacrosse at a flagship university and I got multiple internships from fellow lacrosse players whose families are very wealthy and connected, and I wasn't even a good student. I just happened to be one the best players on the team and I got along with everyone. After graduation, I got multiple high paying job offers from people I met through internships and families of other lacrosse players, some of them I played against from other universities. I would never get those opportunities without playing lacrosse. My two older brothers attended Yale and Princeton and they make five times less than I do. They wished they spent less time studying and more time with sports.

The first bolded sentence was verified by the second.

It is not what you know but who you know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I played D1 lacrosse at a flagship university and I got multiple internships from fellow lacrosse players whose families are very wealthy and connected, and I wasn't even a good student. I just happened to be one the best players on the team and I got along with everyone. After graduation, I got multiple high paying job offers from people I met through internships and families of other lacrosse players, some of them I played against from other universities. I would never get those opportunities without playing lacrosse. My two older brothers attended Yale and Princeton and they make five times less than I do. They wished they spent less time studying and more time with sports.

The first bolded sentence was verified by the second.

It is not what you know but who you know.

True in many cases, but you missed my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I played D1 lacrosse at a flagship university and I got multiple internships from fellow lacrosse players whose families are very wealthy and connected, and I wasn't even a good student. I just happened to be one the best players on the team and I got along with everyone. After graduation, I got multiple high paying job offers from people I met through internships and families of other lacrosse players, some of them I played against from other universities. I would never get those opportunities without playing lacrosse. My two older brothers attended Yale and Princeton and they make five times less than I do. They wished they spent less time studying and more time with sports.

The first bolded sentence was verified by the second.

It is not what you know but who you know.

True in many cases, but you missed my point.

Your point is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Usually they have jobs waiting for them via their parent/relative’s company or connections.

It’s not just about the degree. It’s about the legions of privileges that enabled you to attend such a school in the first place. (And please none of the rags-to-riches stories - these obviously are not the norm.)

That’s false. You need to meet more actual people not toil in imagination land.

What matters is the Career Services Department, Recruiting, Alumni network and job or grad school placement in your area of interest.

Only some of the wealthy Intl students openly go work at some big fmaily conglomerate in the homeland. But many families require their kids to work 10 years elsewhere to learn more and new things, then come to family company.

It’s way less subtle then work for family business. It’s knowing some executive and recommending your son, and then you hire their daughter etc. it’s also knowing which careers and how to navigate them.

Your dad or mom doesn’t own career services or the interview team or how you do in Super Day. Or the law school AdCom.

If you want to work at a little lifestyle firm, then sure, go beg your dads friends for a boring job there. That’s what it’s all about, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually they have jobs waiting for them via their parent/relative’s company or connections.

It’s not just about the degree. It’s about the legions of privileges that enabled you to attend such a school in the first place. (And please none of the rags-to-riches stories - these obviously are not the norm.)

That’s false. You need to meet more actual people not toil in imagination land.

What matters is the Career Services Department, Recruiting, Alumni network and job or grad school placement in your area of interest.

Only some of the wealthy Intl students openly go work at some big fmaily conglomerate in the homeland. But many families require their kids to work 10 years elsewhere to learn more and new things, then come to family company.

It’s way less subtle than work for family business. It’s knowing some executive and recommending your son, and then you hire their daughter etc. it’s also knowing which careers and how to navigate them.

Unclear how you ever got an internship or job in your teens or 20s.

Did you apply and do a few rounds of interviews? And then you noticed that a bunch of hires were fast tracked into the training class or role by not interviewing, just by being someone’s kid?
That’s what you saw happening? When and where was this?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:maybe for your first job but after that nobody cares where you went to school or your major.

+1 and the elite college is probably more important for non STEM majors, than for STEM majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually they have jobs waiting for them via their parent/relative’s company or connections.

It’s not just about the degree. It’s about the legions of privileges that enabled you to attend such a school in the first place. (And please none of the rags-to-riches stories - these obviously are not the norm.)

That’s false. You need to meet more actual people not toil in imagination land.

What matters is the Career Services Department, Recruiting, Alumni network and job or grad school placement in your area of interest.

Only some of the wealthy Intl students openly go work at some big fmaily conglomerate in the homeland. But many families require their kids to work 10 years elsewhere to learn more and new things, then come to family company.

It’s way less subtle then work for family business. It’s knowing some executive and recommending your son, and then you hire their daughter etc. it’s also knowing which careers and how to navigate them.

I played D1 lacrosse at a flagship university and I got multiple internships from fellow lacrosse players whose families are very wealthy and connected, and I wasn't even a good student. I just happened to be one the best players on the team and I got along with everyone. After graduation, I got multiple high paying job offers from people I met through internships and families of other lacrosse players, some of them I played against from other universities. I would never get those opportunities without playing lacrosse. My two older brothers attended Yale and Princeton and they make five times less than I do. They wished they spent less time studying and more time with sports.

You post about your lacrosse team networking like every week.

If your brother BOTH went to Ivy, I doubt you are some rags to riches story off the back of hard work and sportsmanship.

I mean Lacrosse is already a rich sport, I know it’s not played in poorer communities and requires expensive equipment and large fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually they have jobs waiting for them via their parent/relative’s company or connections.

It’s not just about the degree. It’s about the legions of privileges that enabled you to attend such a school in the first place. (And please none of the rags-to-riches stories - these obviously are not the norm.)

That’s false. You need to meet more actual people not toil in imagination land.

What matters is the Career Services Department, Recruiting, Alumni network and job or grad school placement in your area of interest.

Only some of the wealthy Intl students openly go work at some big fmaily conglomerate in the homeland. But many families require their kids to work 10 years elsewhere to learn more and new things, then come to family company.

It’s way less subtle than work for family business. It’s knowing some executive and recommending your son, and then you hire their daughter etc. it’s also knowing which careers and how to navigate them.

Unclear how you ever got an internship or job in your teens or 20s.

Did you apply and do a few rounds of interviews? And then you noticed that a bunch of hires were fast tracked into the training class or role by not interviewing, just by being someone’s kid?
That’s what you saw happening? When and where was this?!

Well, yeah. Did your read Bully Market? That was my first year at an IB. Sure some students work their way up and get a chance, if the stars align.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You post about your lacrosse team networking like every week.

If your brother BOTH went to Ivy, I doubt you are some rags to riches story off the back of hard work and sportsmanship.

I mean Lacrosse is already a rich sport, I know it’s not played in poorer communities and requires expensive equipment and large fields.

Lacrosse is NOT a rich sport, it is for MC folks. Tennis or golf is a sport for the rich. It costs money to play lacrosse but nowhere near the amount for golf or tennis. Golf costs around 40k/yr and tennis around 35k/yr.

- Signed by a parent with two kids that play golf and tennis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From your experience, do graduates of Top 25 universities and Top 10 liberal arts colleges get more interviews, interesting jobs, or money? I’m talking only about the UNDERGRADUATE degree.

I understand that anyone who goes to an Ivy MBA, law, or medical school will do well, but that’s really about the professional school, not undergraduate.

I’m trying to understand if it’s worth paying lots of money to go to a prestigious private school over a very selective state school for UNDERGRAD.

If by very selective state school, you mean somewhere like Berkeley, Michigan, UNC chapel hill - then no, I don’t think it makes a big difference.

DH went to a top 10 private school and I went to one of those publics. People who went to his school tell me that they didn’t get into my university. I would say the career trajectories of his friends and mine have not been super different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From your experience, do graduates of Top 25 universities and Top 10 liberal arts colleges get more interviews, interesting jobs, or money? I’m talking only about the UNDERGRADUATE degree.

I understand that anyone who goes to an Ivy MBA, law, or medical school will do well, but that’s really about the professional school, not undergraduate.

I’m trying to understand if it’s worth paying lots of money to go to a prestigious private school over a very selective state school for UNDERGRAD.

I’m on my firm’s hiring company and we generally don’t care. Some of our best hires have been from lower ranked schools and some of the worst from Ivy’s. It simply doesn’t matter, it is much more about the person.

[Anonymous]

The lax bro network is real. It is great where your brothers went too! I know guys who played at Harvard and Swarthmore and they all do very well and are drawn into high paying industries (mostly finance) in large numbers.
They also end up in MBA programs at places like HBS and in NYC at Columbia and NYU so OP's question is still tough to answer. They get good jobs for a few years and go to good grad schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrelevant to me as a hiring manager.

I understand that the person who attended the Ivy may be extraordinarily bright—but that they may also be extraordinarily entitled. Those cancel each other out in terms of how excited I am to talk to the candidate. Relevant experience is the decision factor.

It's relevant if your company only recruits at certain schools.

We don't do that. So as I said, it's not relevant to me as a hiring manager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From your experience, do graduates of Top 25 universities and Top 10 liberal arts colleges get more interviews, interesting jobs, or money? I’m talking only about the UNDERGRADUATE degree.

I understand that anyone who goes to an Ivy MBA, law, or medical school will do well, but that’s really about the professional school, not undergraduate.

I’m trying to understand if it’s worth paying lots of money to go to a prestigious private school over a very selective state school for UNDERGRAD.

Depends on what the job is - but to get foot in door initially, my exp is yes.